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    what is the most rarest pure game bloodline around today?

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    i would have to say the american staffordshire bull terrier, almost all pitbulls in america today are direct descendents to this dog, the only difference is tha akc recognizes this breed and not the pitbull

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    Quote Originally Posted by roggin323
    i would have to say the american staffordshire bull terrier, almost all pitbulls in america today are direct descendents to this dog, the only difference is tha akc recognizes this breed and not the pitbull
    Do you mean a Staffordshire Bull Terrier? If so then I wouldn't consider that a bloodline but rather a breed whose the original bull & terrier cross. They are pretty rare in the US. I actually bought a Stafford, he should arrive during the beginning of October. Many people don't consider the Stafford as game as the APBT since they've been bred for the show ring. There are however a couple Stafford bloodlines in Ireland that are still very game. The AKC does recognize the American Staffordshire Terrier who are technically a subset of the APBT bred for a particular look.

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    If indeed you're talkin about the Staffordshire Bull, they are less prevalent than the others from the Bull x Terrier cross. But they're not as rare as most think, I had one for six years that I got unpapered for an extremely low price. As far as gameness goes, mine never showed a lack of it but he might have been the exception rather than the rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambchop11078
    Do you mean a Staffordshire Bull Terrier? If so then I wouldn't consider that a bloodline but rather a breed whose the original bull & terrier cross. They are pretty rare in the US. I actually bought a Stafford, he should arrive during the beginning of October. Many people don't consider the Stafford as game as the APBT since they've been bred for the show ring. There are however a couple Stafford bloodlines in Ireland that are still very game. The AKC does recognize the American Staffordshire Terrier who are technically a subset of the APBT bred for a particular look.


    yes i agree , im going to buy a irl Staff in the future, witch lines does your male have?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey
    yes i agree , im going to buy a irl Staff in the future, witch lines does your male have?

    The Staffordshire Bull terrier is in fact a different breed. Talk to people in England and they will tell you they arent game..nor have they been bred for the pit in quite a number of years

    They arent an American Breed either..they are English... and unlike the AM Staff arent a decendent of the APBT but more like a cousin.. I do know that years back I recall seeing them in temperement tests and they ranked high on the list of dogs likely to bite. Very high strung..allthough again, alot depends on the dogs and lines

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honey
    yes i agree , im going to buy a irl Staff in the future, witch lines does your male have?
    My stafford is from the YankeeStaff bloodline. That's him below.



    Most of the staffords I've seen lately are too exaggerated i.e: big heads, short & stocky, and English bull dog looking. They don't have the right balance of bull dog and terrier. I decided to go with the YankeeStaff bloodlines because they pretty much look like the staffords of old, something Joe Mallen would be proud of owning. This was the particular look I wanted, YankeeStaff CH Bazooka Joe.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rocksteady
    The Staffordshire Bull terrier is in fact a different breed. Talk to people in England and they will tell you they arent game..nor have they been bred for the pit in quite a number of years

    They arent an American Breed either..they are English... and unlike the AM Staff arent a decendent of the APBT but more like a cousin.. I do know that years back I recall seeing them in temperement tests and they ranked high on the list of dogs likely to bite. Very high strung..allthough again, alot depends on the dogs and lines
    Actually, the AmStaffs, APBT, and Staffords score about the same in the temperament test (low 80 %). Staffords are known as the "nanny dog" for a particular reason and are very tolerant of children. I have heard that AmStaffs are the most likely to bite out of the 3 breeds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambchop11078
    Actually, the AmStaffs, APBT, and Staffords score about the same in the temperament test (low 80 %). Staffords are known as the "nanny dog" for a particular reason and are very tolerant of children. I have heard that AmStaffs are the most likely to bite out of the 3 breeds.
    Like I said.. I did read that years back that the Staff Bull Terrier was in the top 10 of dogs most likely to bite via AKC breeds Whether or not its true.. there is no 100% way to determine the likeliness of a breed to bite because a large majority of dog bites never get reported but it was in the top 10 breeds according to the survey

    And yes.. I'm English myself with relatives living there (England) and they truely do not like people referring to the Staff bull terrier as an APBT. Remember,,in England dogs on the most part are much better behaved as their society is more canine appreicative and usually focus more on obeidence than in the USA (I remember visiting and you could take your dogs to outside cafes and people take their dogs everywhere!)

    The more popular any AKC breed becomes the more likely you'll find bad temepered and badly bred dogs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocksteady
    Like I said.. I did read that years back that the Staff Bull Terrier was in the top 10 of dogs most likely to bite via AKC breeds Whether or not its true.. there is no 100% way to determine the likeliness of a breed to bite because a large majority of dog bites never get reported but it was in the top 10 breeds according to the survey

    And yes.. I'm English myself with relatives living there (England) and they truely do not like people referring to the Staff bull terrier as an APBT. Remember,,in England dogs on the most part are much better behaved as their society is more canine appreicative and usually focus more on obeidence than in the USA (I remember visiting and you could take your dogs to outside cafes and people take their dogs everywhere!)

    The more popular any AKC breed becomes the more likely you'll find bad temepered and badly bred dogs.
    Very interesting, first time I ever heard of a stafford having the likeliness to bite.

    I have heard stories of dogs riding on public transportation with their owners in England. It's a shame many people in the US don't believe or care about obedience training and responsibility.

    I gotta agree with you on the popularity of a breed, supply and demand is a horrible practice when it comes to pets. Now a days, money is the incentive and there are no morals or ethics by some people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambchop11078
    Do you mean a Staffordshire Bull Terrier? If so then I wouldn't consider that a bloodline but rather a breed whose the original bull & terrier cross. They are pretty rare in the US. I actually bought a Stafford, he should arrive during the beginning of October. Many people don't consider the Stafford as game as the APBT since they've been bred for the show ring. There are however a couple Stafford bloodlines in Ireland that are still very game. The AKC does recognize the American Staffordshire Terrier who are technically a subset of the APBT bred for a particular look.
    I was planning on purchasing a staffy bull in the future. What is the name of those kennels or people in Ireland that offer those?

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    To locate a staffy from working lines try these sites and the MB`s.
    It can be difficult to locate a real good one, cause paperhanging and fake peds are in these dogs also.

    LAD

    http://home.no.net/gamedog/
    http://www.dogwebs.net/TURNSTYLE/
    http://www.shakerskennels.co.uk/
    http://www.bullterriertimes.co.uk/


    Ricky`s CH Psycho "lost against ch stormer"


    M&C`s CH Stormer


    Quote Originally Posted by Chainlyf
    I was planning on purchasing a staffy bull in the future. What is the name of those kennels or people in Ireland that offer those?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lambchop11078 View Post
    Actually, the AmStaffs, APBT, and Staffords score about the same in the temperament test (low 80 %). Staffords are known as the "nanny dog" for a particular reason and are very tolerant of children. I have heard that AmStaffs are the most likely to bite out of the 3 breeds.
    i thought it was the apbt ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by masta of game View Post
    i thought it was the apbt ..
    You might have to wait a while for an answer since this guy's last post was 4 years ago

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    lol ...yea i know its old .. but i was waiting for any knowledgeable member woh are active to answer it...

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    If it is the "staff", staffordshire bull terrier, we are talking about, (I donīt know of any american staffordshire bull terrier), they are no bloodline of apbt, they are a different breed as f.ex the amstaff, and they are not rare at all. Perhaps in the United states but not i Europe. They are rather common.

    About gameness and staffs: they are not game generally since they are not gamebred- they are mostly bred to be housepets or confirmation show dogs. There are a few traditionally dogs though mainly with old Irish bloodlines, but gamebred staffs are rare and they donīt come game if they not are game bred. And even if so, rather few of them are anyway as also is the case with apbtīs.
    FWIIW my opinion.

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    There are still game lines of Staffy Bulls out there....if you read Rocca's book you will see where they were cross breeding them to APBT's back in the 80's over in Europe, these breedings were made obviously for the pit and nothing else. And yes, Staffy Bulls are the original nanny dog, but being that APBT's are basically SBT's brought here from the British Isles and different bloodlines within the breed bred to make what we now call APBT, some here have referred to them as the nanny dog also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by masta of game View Post
    i thought it was the apbt ..
    They definitley call Staff's the nanny dog as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitbull219 View Post
    There are still game lines of Staffy Bulls out there....if you read Rocca's book you will see where they were cross breeding them to APBT's back in the 80's over in Europe, these breedings were made obviously for the pit and nothing else.
    yes, there are a few. But the common staff nowadays you buy of a typical staff breeder.. no.
    (and the off spring of a cross is a cross breed)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pitbull219 View Post
    And yes, Staffy Bulls are the original nanny dog, but being that APBT's are basically SBT's brought here from the British Isles and different bloodlines within the breed bred to make what we now call APBT,
    Iīm no expert on staffs but if I have got it right there where officially no Staffordshire bull terriers before as late as 1935, when they began to be registered in England. Long after their ancestors first came to the United states. It is technically a younger breed than the pitbull terrier.

    I think I am off topic, sorry. This thread was meant to be about rarest bloodline.
    Last edited by k_pbs; 09-06-2009 at 10:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_pbs View Post

    Iīm no expert on staffs but if I have got it right there where officially no Staffordshire bull terriers before as late as 1935, when they began to be registered in England. Long after their ancestors first came to the United states. It is technically a younger breed than the pitbull terrier.
    Yeah, I think you're basically right. The bull and terriers that came to THIS country starting in the 1800s were a portion of the bull and terrier population in the British Isles. The bull and terriers that remained in England officially became the Staffordshire Bull Terrier in 1935 there; and the bull and terriers that came HERE became officially the American Pit Bull Terrier in 1898 (I think that's right) with UKC.

    The bull and terriers in this country developed into a somewhat larger dog than the ones that remained behind in England...if you look at pictures of Staffordshire Bull Terriers of the 40s in England, you cannot tell them from smaller Pit Bulls...

    Today, the same phenomenon that happens to a lot of show breeds has happened to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier. They are much heavier, stockier, broader dogs than the original working bull and terrier. It is analagous to what happened to the American Staffordshire Terrier when it became a show animal.

    And both breeds still have their working version being more secretly bred and fought ...

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