REAL HISTORY OF A LVING LEGEND (reprint)

I will never understand why a man will argue with 3rd or 4th parties that have no direct knowledge of an event when he can go to the source. Why not. If ur evidence is so set in stone take it to the source instead of hear say or the opinion of others. This is a case of believing one legend over the other. It is also a case where the one that supposedly lied is still alive to answer the questions. There is lots and lots of talk about gameness on this forum. I guess that only applies to the dogs. Because some of the folks sure aren't game enough to confront their adversaries.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

hi shotgun , all this topic was meant to do is to create a conversation just like every other thread about these dogs we love, why is it that by putting forward the information we have to hand on billy that's is not mine but they are set in stone in so far as they are facts or info based on floyds own words and official adba peds and dibos history, but everyone decides to barracde themselves like were at war, instead of having the same type of discussion we have about other dog related topics , and to be honest of all the dubious dogs of the past that we talk about like billy and others like zebo or j rods midnite , with billy those facts or info that we all have at our disposal are about as good and as we have to make a more than reasoned judgement as to what is the more realistic truth to his ped, so if others decide to make it all about Mayfield vs Boudreaux there wrong its about the truth or as near as we can get to finding it out .
As for asking Floyd ,well I if he hasn't told the truth in 60 yrs imo , im not sure he will all of a sudden tell us it today ,so rather than as you say it being a case of believing one legend over another, which would mean everyone taking sides with their favourite , but here we have info that is not biased one way or the other, its info and history which is there for us all to allow us to get a better understanding as to billys ped ,and eventually the eli line also , but that's another story for another day.

 

Sorry Old dog didnt mean to offend you.This guy rambled on with the same shit for 14 pages ruining threads on another forum until he was banned.He is obviously mentally challenged.I reposted this pic from one of the threads he ruined.It was a reply by another member that I think applies to this guy.I thought it was funny then and I do now.My step sister is retarded.I dont feel this pic is making fun of her or the little boy in the pic just the troll.The little boy in the pic is retarded so I dont see it as haha look at the retarded kid.Its just a stupid pic.Like most funny pics posted as a reply.

 

That's not funny at all. In fact I find it in poor taste and disrespectful toward people raising a child with Down Syndrome.

 

I don't know Polar Ice, Don Mayfield or Floyd Boudreaux, PI you've just about summed up my thoughts on the poor Down Syndrome joke, the dogs saga and how irrelevant those events have on what the dogs are today.
I had some with Bullyson in them (very little) but hell you can't have these dogs without some of that rough in them. LOL

 

Right. I just want to say I'm not trying to tell you all what to talk about or squash discussions. Just seems like any posts with relevance stay quiet and then then ones about old men and dead dogs get a whole lot of traffic with her little facts. Just strange men arguing stories and defending fairy tales.

Blind billy and Boze could have been goats for as much as it affects my pedigrees now. I veto focus on what I can control. As much as you can control fooling around with these dogs.

 

agustus if I have ruined this thread , then you must have a very good explanation to disprove what I have been saying, otherwise its guys like you who just come on here don't like what another guy says ,but don't add anything of value to the thread and then start throwing insults around and even after you and your idiot friend corvette who both found it funny posting that foto trying and failing miserabley to poke fun at me, when all you both did is poke fun at yourselves ,and show at what mental level you 2 are both on, and you continue to call me mentally challenged not having even acknowledged that using that terminology offends folks , so its obvious you and making fun of folks go hand in hand, and im guessing your a pretty thick and ignorant guy whos general level of human interaction is at the level of grunting like a neanderthal, but just incase im wrong, why dont you try and make an argument that isn't based on posting offensive fotos and actually try to add something of value to a thread for once in your life .

 

You think you are standing up for your heroe trying to get him his due credit for Floyd and his partners success with that line.That alone is crazy even if what you believe is true.If Earl did breed Billy who knows how he is bred because everyone except Don knew Earl hung papers using Dibo.Half of Dons Dibo stuff probably wasnt papered correctly but did you ever hear that come out of his hatin mouth.If Billy was bred off some of that black Henry stuff.Floyds black dogs could very well have come from them instead of cry baby.H.Heinzel didnt think much of Dumbo if I remember correctly which I could be wrong since it has been years since I have read the stories.So Dibo birthday may not have been recorded correctly or recalled accurately.Same with Billy.Even if Floyd made up the whole history of Billy it doesnt prove Dons crybaby theory.It is just aspossible Billy of unknown heritage sired the dogs that created this great line.I dont know or really care.I just think it is stupid for you to come on here to discredit Floyd.Both threads were good old stories people enjoyed reading.I dont own any high percentage Eli dogs and dont plan to.Dont think Floyd is a heroe or great man but he is much more respectable than Don was in his last years.

 

Hey CIK, Man, I didn't bring up Eli, you did back in post #4 or thereabouts. I was just pointing out that the one thing (Billy's breeding) has nothing to do with the other (How Eli was bred) and that there is no tangible connection relating the two. I know you think that you are having a discussion here but I don't think you are. You have a very fixed position and do not appear to be flexible on it. It seems to me that you are trying to convince some of us that what you believe to be true is the truth, which really is just making what it is other people believe to be a lie. Both can't be right but both can be wrong, Floyd could have lied, Don could have lied, Tudor could have lied and Heinzl could have lied. It doesn't really matter because no-one actually knows. Sheesh! these first world problems. Gut feelings are very subjective and common sense cannot be relied upon because it is a commodity in such small supply these days. Anyway, for my 2 cents, In these situations I prefer to use Occam's Razor as a principle. The simplest explanation for something is more likely to be accurate than explanations that are more complicated, or the explanation requiring the fewest assumptions is most likely to be correct. This principle doesn't prove anything but for me it eliminates your thesis on the issue. In saying that, whatever you believe is ok with me. When I was much younger I played a lot of sport and had a football coach that had an old theory that he based a lot of his coaching on, KISS. "Keep It Simple Stupid" It worked for him and it works for me.

 

There is another thread on this same forum on the same subject that went on forever. In the end it ended just as this one began. I personally do not care how the dog was bred. Mainly because I figure very few peds of the great dogs are accurate. There was lots of money at stake. While some peds may be close I feel most contained misinformation. U don't give the competition the combination to the lock. Anything beyond the dog u see is taking the word of a Man U don't know. If u give him money for that dog he has even more reason to lie. Now with these legendary dogs a man is so far removed whatever influence they had is watered down or even lost due to breeding on papers. The only way any of us can be sure about the dogs on our yards is if we know the dogs in their peds and the performance of each personally. As for the date on Billy's ped well I ain't good with dates. I have been known to miss by a year or so. I do not know how well Floyd kept records or if he did like many and kept them in his head. So a date being off on a dog that has been dead and gone for many years is inconsequential in my opinion of the dogs today. And again if a man feels it was in fact an outright lie well I would go to the source and talk to them in person. Many a man has told the truth in later years when they lied for many. Has something to do with clearing a conscious.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

DOUBLE THAT, theres already a thread about the "Blind Billy" subject everyone is focusing on the wrong thread, help the other one go somewhere...
Theres alot more substance behind the original post and the man behind the storey and we should focus on that...
GOOD POST SHOTGUN, I AGREE...

 

That's all folks

 

agustus , you see now were having a conversation now not you insulting me , you spent some time trying ot make an argument for why and how, but I would like to ask you something and that is if you have so many what ifs and what might have beens to make a case for billy , why cant you also have said that about the info /facts /i put forward which we do actually have and not hearsay as to what tudor did or didnt do or what heiznl might or might not have done, as those facts you are now using are far more hearsay and whispers than what i have shown in so far as the dobs floyds won words and a know history of dibo, so alliI ever asked of anyone was to have the open mind about it, and by the way if you look back at the thread when i first posted , i never mentioned eli until someone else did, and tell me agustus would it be so bad if its was true that floyds stole crybabys pups and don got a little credit for it if its true ? or can only Floyd get credit regardless of whether he stole them or not? I think that you know that if billy is fake then you also in your gut and knowing what type of dogs Floyd had and was know for before eli came along, that although we can never prove it, its very likely that eli was out of crybaby and not scrub x candy as i believe billy is not bred as his ped shows , in which case he is of unknown breeding as has been the rumour for years , but i accept what you say , anything is possible ,but what is more probalbe based of the info we have ? that is the more important question, what makes more logical sense ? if we take out the i love Floyd or i love don etc and just use our logic what really makes more sense ?

 

hi polar , well if making my point inn the hope of others agreeing with it is wanting them to believe me, then yes, don't we all hope that ?and if as you did in the earlier post agree with me that there is some doubt to be had with billy on the dobs etc, then although we cant prove the eli theory, i ask you using your common sense, and if you had to take make a bet as to what elis true breeding was, would it be scrub x candy knowing what we know about the eli story and floyds dogs pre eli, or crybaby x cotton and knowing what came after eli came along ?iI know its all theory but I don't find it hard to get off the fence to make my call on it , and if Floyd did lie about billy , then its more than likely that he also lied about those pups all dying , and for my two cents , theres nothing complicated about what im saying ,its actually the simplest version of reality and the most likely thing that happened and as far as billy is concerned i think the dobs etc make it as simple as it gets , if you or others decide to not see it ok that's your choice , but if your theory is that we should believe the simplest solution which is to believe Floyd ,then in that case anyone whos words are dubious based on some facts that lead us to that conclusion ,we should just disregard as its to complicated ?well in that case lets forget puting crimnals through the justice system and just let them all go if that's the simplest explanation and any facts or evidence is to complicated and must be wrong , well if that's your idea of simple solutions im not sure we can ever find a truth in anything , but that's fine , but all i will say is that if anyone who says they know breeding actually believes that floyds eli line came form scrub x candy id say they need to go get themselves a pair of glasses , or stop drinking to much.

 

ffs...can you even spell...sense...dik.....let it go.....

 

..did you see the breeding...where you there....noooooooooooooooooooooo

 

bluebull I never said I expected anyone to say that they agree with me , only that it may have been a posiblity based on the facts we all have to hand that's all, if we were to only make any statement of a breeding based on what we have personally seen bred and whelped for that matter ,then very few would be able to say how any of the dogs in their own dogs heritage are bred , so the whole billy and even eli topic was really just a discussion, but others apart from one or two, have all decided to avoid engageing with those the facts and started the abuse , but like I said im happy to know that the abuse comes because they know it does make sense but cant bring themselves to even consider it as they know where it all leads to , and that is just to much for their rose coloured glasses to deal with .By the way bluebull rather than just troll me and key , why don't you engage with the facts and at least give your opinion on what seems likely with billy , it makes for a better thread instead of the constant trolling with no added value to the thread .

 

In order for people to admit it may have happened as you say you also have to admit to yourself that it may not have.


March isn't the only month for Madness!!

 

very polyed of cik that he anser you bleu ...because you are somebody that reallly at nothing to the board

 

Cajun I think I said it many times anything is possible, but what is the more probable answer based on the knowledge we all have at our disposal on billy / eli/crybaby , that is imo the where the truth is to be found if we really want to
to know it.