Few versus the many?

You still do not grasp the true meaning of the word you keep using. LOL

 

Jeez, this is a really active site. I went to bed the only poster -- and now there are like twenty.

Just a few general comments about a question or two raised:

Personally, I believe the closer you are with your dog, the harder he'll fight for you. I don't know if that can be measured or quantified, but I believe it -- possibly because it's merely something I like or want to believe. I made it a point back then to be as close with all my dogs as I could, partly because I felt that closeness would bring out the best in them and partly because I considered it the right thing to do -- afford a highly intelligent animal as much stimulus and personal attention as a dog requires. It can be lonely on a chain; try it sometime. Lonelier even than being married. Ha. Okay, a little levity there.

Later I'll give the thread another read, maybe reply to some of the individual posts.

 

Good point made.

IMO if a dog cannot be a pit dog because it is a house dog, then it wasn't a pit dog to begin with.

I have also noticed over the years that of the dogs I have seen, indoor dogs tend to be more territorial and prone to HA than outdoor dogs.
This, I believe, is more due to the dogs getting possessive of the owner than having temperament issues.
Like granny's ankle biter, most dogs are made mean through being spoiled, lol.

 

That reminds me of what I always hear Maurice Carver used to say: "this dog is willing to lay down his life for me, so you can be damn sure I am going to be his friend."

I believe the same thing. Better and tighter you are with your dogs, the better the dogs will be in all areas.

The problem today is that the majority of Americans think dogmen are like the ghetto thugs that beat and abuse their dogs and force them to fight. (If you have to force it, then it isn't even a pit dog)
That idea of "meanness, aggression, killer instinct" is too difficult for these wastes of sperm to comprehend how a nice human friendly and loving dog can be a true pit dog.
Doesn't fit the narrative that the media fed these monkeys.

Good posts throughout this thread, without the common disputes over petty things.

 

i dont know - I have seen so many chainn spaces i probably wouldnt go in had their master been present to calm them and introduce them to me. . I think this may be one of those things that can be as a two edge sword also - depends on a lot of factors but seen some both ways.

..."This, I believe, is more due to the dogs getting possessive of the owner than having temperament issues". ...
I have noticed this also and the spoiled part is absolutely correct in my experiences also -

 

Seen Pete Sparks on a video last night after this post. Said "be his buddy, take him ah-ridin with Ya, take him ah-walkin and when your done let him ah-lay up in tha house with Ya". Lol

 

This is one of those things where it can never be a universal principle.
Just because I see it that way from my experience, doesn't mean the next guy who thinks the opposite due to his experience is wrong.

I believe it is the same for the big yard-small yard issue at hand. Just because I favor the few doesn't mean it is better than the big yard theory.
To each their own, but it is still best to not have dogs neglected and living lonely on the chain, except for clean up/feed time.

 

I agree - I may not have typed it in good clear way, but that was what i meant -
few vs many - me too - i like small, but i only have time for that many - and some of the best came from both sizes..
and good points also! well noted.

 

...when ya think big yard...is the owner just a puppy peddler...or just not happy with the results that keep comeing up...or just crazy about dogs..or as said if in a team/partnership..it makes it easyer to keep more...it all-ways best i think to keep what ya can handle...ideal ..8-10.??..if your happy with what you have..with room to improve if need be by one or two...also things are easyier to-day for breeding ie;ivf...sperm storage/etc/etc..so ya hear off SOME will milk there best then sell em...???..all-ways taught with a small yard if the owner is usually ,happy with what they have is sometimes a good place to start...ya see some big yards getting everything they can get there hands on in case there missing out on something..then some off the dogs in the big yard begin to suffer....then there's active/un-active...sports weight pulling/etc...sorry rambleing....anyways....8-10..with room to improve or breed when nessacery.....but keeping at them numbers..is what i'd go with

 

..forgot to say how addictive these dogs can become...

 

def agree with that,,dogs can sense everything off ya,,so was important to be confident with your dog...in everything ya do with them....

 

This thread is similar to a thread I started last year, http://www.game-dog.com/showthread.php/67597-Big-Yard-vs-Small-Yard and I find this info to be very informative. Some very good points have been touched on by all and its nice to see that the majority tend to feel that each dog needs attention and not simply created and or left out on the chain all day 24/7. As for the house dog - outdoor dog subject I feel the dog has it or doesn't. Chinaman was a house dog the first 3yrs of his life he was placed back with Mr Abernathy after fighting the neighbors dog thru the fence on a few occasions and owners were nervous.


Something that I think coincides with this subject and maybe worthy of a new thread that I would like to hear all of your views on are: Placing dog's in the right hands. What I'm referring to is when you have a litter, or need to make space. Finding the right people to place/sell/trade etc. When I see craigslist ads for dogs or even on Facebook these guys are selling to anyone with cash in hand. I guess it all breaks down to the breeders goals, if any...

 

...i think it's true with dogs as with other things in life...it's all-ways best to go for ...the "QUALITY OF A MANS DOG'S,,,THAN PICK FROM THE QUANTITY OF LARGER KENNEL".....not saying there is not a few very good large kennels cause there is...depends if ya have the time and help to have a large kennel....as for putting dogs in the wrong HANDS espeicaly to-day...i'd rather ..P.T.S...THEM

 

As im getting old now, I would like to say that i have more time to spend the hounds on the yard. Ive had as many as 33 and went down to 12. Imo, for me anyway , No one will take care of my dogs the way i do. I have tryed a partnership. It didnt work out. They were missing out on love, attention, ect . Also as times have changed, so have buyers. It seems that over the years and ese days when a few pups are for sale the marjorty of the folks that call are hustlers in the dope game. I have gone down to seven dogs and i would rather give pups away than place them in the hands certain trouble. I dont knock A man for making a living, yet i breed for myself and a few close friends as needed.

 

Placing a dog in the right hands is all I care about and truly is key. The money I could care less about. I just want honest feed back of my dogs from legit Dogmen, bad or good so I know what to correct or correct nothing at all. I will give the pup away if I know he's going to where he can make a name for himself and be something. Really, In the end, all I want to do is produce honest and sound Bulldogs and let them make a name for themselves and live on throughout history as the very dogs we talk about to this very day. One can dream, but it's obtainable especially in the right hands if it's the right bulldog. That's my biggest problem I face now and one reason why I've produced so few dogs. I don't know many people that know what to do with them. I don't want them on a chain rotting away or all my effort is for nothing. I want them to eat good, work hard, earn their keep and live long and be something. That will be all the reward I could ever ask for.

 

Good thread!

 

Selectivity; the quality of carefully choosing someone or something as the best or most suitable.
The state or quality of being selective.

Please explain what isn't being grasped.

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years back...even if you had a new adult dog for instance it was/is important ya make a bond with during keep..as ya know some dogs specialy spooks when full grown can be nightmare to work if they don't know ya.....

 

"Selectivity" denotes very little (that may have been intentional). Selection criterion/criteria is the proper and accepted concept and nomenclature. What condition or threshold needs to be met before selection. A. Franklin's brilliant and succinct book "Selectivity and Discord" should illustrate the issue.

Words are subjective and context-laden which can result in discord. For example: "few" and "pal" apparently mean something different to me than other folks on here. In my opinion, there seems to be an inverse-correlation between the amount of dogs a Dogman has and what he perceives as his abilities.