Is everyone breeding for the show standard?

I have seen a nice variation of the APBT but it seems most are breeding for the long and lean ADBA look. Anyone not breeding in this direction?

 

Don't understand your ?. IMO a variation of the APBT is no longer an APBT. Long and lean not sure what that is implying, but these dogs are terriers which has always been a hunting/working class. So athleticism is expected and needed in these dogs, breed away from standard and your no longer breeding APBT's. This is just my opinion and we all have different standards.

 

I believe most of the working breeders try to stay with what works for them weather it's long and lean or short and stocky!

 

this is what i was reffering to, I am not talking about out of standard in terms of function. But it seems that most breeders lately have gone the ADBA standard physical look, I have seen photos and videos of other dogs that do not carry the ADBA show look.

 

Not all of them were long and lean to begin with if you ask me. I don't want to get into the idealistic theory of how the breed came together but these animals were produced by crossing small ratters, animal baiting dogs and I am sure other breeds. not all bloodlines look exactly terrier if you ask me.

 

I get you now. You were speaking strictly body type. I agree, not all lines look the same. I had a Maverick/Lil Gator/Bomerang cross. He was of the stockier build. Haven't had many like that, but from what I seen athleticism was lacking. Though durability was through the roof.

 

Anyone breeding those types?

 

I prefer the middle.
Boxy is good, so is extra lean.

Here is Tonka, he has more of the wide Bull Dog style to him.


The other photo on the attachment is Taz. He has more rangy genes in him.

 

........only one main thing..to breed for....forget how they look,,would'nt worry about it...on another note see what your getting at..it's nice if ya get a balance of what ya like..

 

I agrees with blue8bull on this issue.
When people take performance bred dogs & breed them for everything else but performance, then they no longer have the same breed of dog nor working dogs.
You take pit bulls & make them into staffs.
I would never choose look over performance. I will even breed to an ugly dog with a bad look that performed great over one with a great look that didn't work.
It's best to have an ugly working dog with bad confirmation than it is to have a pretty dog with game blood & but work or produce working dogs.
Because you still maintain a working breed as a whole. The pit bull is a working version of the staff.

With that being said.

I my style is different. I choose pups that look like the dogs in the pedigree I had good luck with before anything else.
If a dog is 5x's Strick Nine or is 7x's Johnie Rock head & comes out looking like the dog he is bred tight on, reguardless is his confirmation is a little off or not, he would still be my 1st pick.
But if one looks like a dog in it's bloodline that I had liked & was a great performer & producer it would be my 1st choice even if it was unbalanced .


That was the whole purpose of breeding the dogs tight on that certain dog.
Head to big , chest too wide etc, doesn't really matter when you see an almost identical version of the dog heavy in the pedigree.
That's just my style!

The American staff came to be from breeders of the past doing the same such thing breeding more on looks without re-guard to performance. Breeding for other than performance. And even culling out the performers.

I'm not knocking who ever choose to breed there dogs in that manner, it's just no my ideal of what the dogs should be bred for.

Just my opinion & to each there own.

Good luck if that your choice on how you breed your dogs.

Don't be the same as everyone else just breed what you like in a dog re-guardless of what others may think.

 

There are working staffs out there.

 

I've said this before McCoy and I may or may not have been right! I always hate to make a statement like this because you just never know , thier is a whole world out there lol.

 

there's working poodles also. Btw the only standard is to be a bulldog. Short squat tall long whatever. They look how they look.

 

I like these:

[video=youtube;9nV7JG05Cbc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nV7JG05Cbc[/video]

[video=youtube;Sqgzuv7rOBA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqgzuv7rOBA[/video]

 

[video=youtube;3ETcYzw6n7A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ETcYzw6n7A[/video]

 

[video=youtube;O3wdmiTklQw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3wdmiTklQw[/video]

 

Agree 100% with you. Yes they are working staffs.
Was just referring to how they are viewed upon these days as being a different breed altogether because of that reason.
A lot of the Corvino dogs were registered as Staff's just as Tudors & Colby's just to name a few.
The Hienzl family ,even though bred as pit bulls was based on these 3 families Colby, Tudor & Corvino.
I had used a dog that was a little staff ,Tacoma & Ruffian blood, that was a lot better than dogs that had none & proved himself far more than many.
I would do it again with out a second thought if the dog proved himself better than his competition!
I don't care about ,colors ,papers & ect. I just like a good dog.
What a lot of folks really don't understand about staffs is that there breeders still get game dogs from time-time but cull them as pit bull breeders get dogs that won't hunt & cull.
A lot of folks did the same breeding with staffs , but wouldn't show it on there paper work or tell you the truth.
And even these day's I'm still a big Corvino fan & if I were to find a pure Corvino dog with the RIGHT papers reguardless of being registered as a staff & not a pit bull , I would surely consider that as part of the breeding program. I'm can cross him & make them work!
I was just trying to say that the staff is viewed as a different dog because of this even though they started out the same.
I was also saying "MY Priorities is performance 1st.
But agree 100% about working staff's!

 

Well said and I agree. I have seen many a good ruffian dogs.I even know the folks that bred the xpert line would get hot ones from time. A lot has changed but u have had success with the crossing back and I have in the past....and know others who have as well.corvino blood...absolutely.. I use it through the sorrells dogs a little further back.
I like the way you think Ziggy..also love those original families you mention.

 

I guess this is more what you are talking about in your OP to say this a dynomite dog
sure not long and lean just the opposite short and fat

and pm me on how you put YT video never figure it out yet