McGee & Johnston's Apostle

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Less you are the owner of a gene that is producing very good .
and you wanne prove that .
you can prove it with a family that is hardly/no producing anything .
from your friend or so ... this excist
sometimes people put their male at stud .. then they say only for aprroved bitches .
this is the big bs to me .
if you put your male at stud for public don't make bs with saying only for aprroved bitches .
this mean you are not trusting you gene producing .
you put him at stud for public that means also for the guy around the corner with his what ever he brings so long as he pay . lol
so be shure if you put something at stud ..what you put at stud .
because tittle 's don't produce only GENES.

 

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^^^^ great post man couldn't say it better. Well I had to have some stuff that Fife had a hand in creating.

 

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Most times for approved females means they must have a current vet check for genetic disorders or illness that can be transmitted to the male or cause defects in the pups nothing to do with bloodline or production nine times out of ten the studs owner will have nothing to gain from the breeding except money, most respectable breeders will not breed to a female that has genetic faults that can hinder performance

 

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Well I had to have some stuff that Fife had a hand in creating.
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gene's that don't produce disapear fast to the third and fourth generation

 

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A kennel, I believe was located in Virginia had success crossing the Panther blood with Jeep blood.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=192538
Pather blood also worked well with Virgil blood. There were several good ones put on the ground by Gena and Jilly Buck.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=33675
I never saw Lightning or Ms Panther go, but there was one named Tempest that was one of the best I have ever seen male or female, and she lacked nothing. Dogwood Kennels tried to breed her to Angus but she was a super rough mother and killed the litter.

 

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most respectable breeders will not breed to a female that has genetic faults that can hinder performance
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thought you have to prove your bitch had fooled ect lol
yes health certificate when its not the bitch of your friend/brother . absolute yes

 

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You know why i like it, no body has it. They come from true bulldogs; a breeding outta the blue kinda like panther Out of the blue Panther came... made such waves no one picked him up again. Its a small gene pool not overly bred and heavily fadded out. When you see one you see one; until then you don't.. You know something about that though, couple goodies up your sleeve.

 

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I like apostle ! & id like to try some of
that sometime later down the line !
hey foundation,
if it works for you and you like it
dont matter what others say as
you know the dog and feed it so
keep up the good work man and
as you say its a small gene pool
and not many have so thats reason
enough imo my uncle use to talk to
Matt years ago wish we could have
gotten some then but maybe I can
later on

nmdogs

 

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if it works for you and you like it
dont matter what others say .

truh

 

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Thanks NM.. I agree, and Key.. again with simple solid truth. cheers

 

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Post #6 by Nausie. Damned good logic there and I agree.
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i have a family around ... with a genes that i like very much .
and i really believe in that gene.
so i don't need other genes .
but i think my gene can do good to other no producing family's (from my friend for example )
i offer my friend a stud for little money ....and he accept .....
al this crosses stay with my friend .
because i ónly have space for my own family
like this i don't water down my family .....but instead a create a new family
one of the things don told me back in 1980 create new family's work together .

 

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puring up the family of my friend .....
puring up yards lol like it

 

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For anyone thinkin matt was ever gettin his ass handed too him is lieing or dont now fife stoped using the line cause he was as matt told me drinking carelessly and ruined a few anyways these dogs are here and still wining some the best croses were st bs dylan blood and rb blood as well as ostevens dogs crossed well its still out there and can be game fastlane honest hunters alot ppl wrote out zebo dogs or crosses but there are but loads go to Mexico u can bet ull be seeing a eli zebo cross same with alot the midwest wink wink

 

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the best croses were st bs dylan blood well its still out there and can be game fastlane honest hunters alot
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can you show a ped maniac ?

 

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Nobody is thinking anything by the end of it Matt was down in the Carolina's getting his ass kicked his stuff just couldn't get the job done. I'd love to see peds of these fast lane panther dogs winning over anything worth a damn. Nobody runs them anymore because the clock is up on them. Zebo crosses are still being used yes but not heavy panther dogs.

 

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I honestly can't speak about the Panther blood now, but I know Ch StormCat was a solid dog down off Heavy Panther stock, I know they crossed it into the Bolero blood with good success, but have lost touch with that stuff. Tarheel stuff at it's best can compete with anything in the world. I know he was different and so was his dogs after Eddie got stolen. If you were in the Carolinas back then you remember Eddie and a few of those other ones. Also the Fireman had a yard of bad ass dogs down from Panther stock that were brutal. But that was years ago.

 

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This is a Fact!!!

 

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i knew before the dylan genes arrived in carolina's ...(by the way it was the best out of that dylon family
hype hype because it won from a pure mayfield hype hype and matt believed it
it disapear fast to the fourth generation

 

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Key he may have been referring to dogs bred like this.. this whole litter was good: http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=60654

I wont discuss any dogs alive in the states. Other than genetic superiority at producing hunters or producers. Im pretty happy with what I got, and no one has it the stock resided with THM so... that being said. Yeh some cant run or hunt others hell on earth. Just like every other family, line, sub strain... Its a small gene pool because it wasn't shared. As far as the good ones today, if you don't know then you don't know. .. Zebo X's still bein used yes.. and whats the cleanest most honest Zebo or Lonzo blood? yup..... Mcgees. Yall clown to much, and dont pay attention to detail in your own chastising words. Cracks me up. The reality is all that stock would be over seas if the deal hadnt fell through and that King Elvis stuff would be all the Zebo here if a certain stock wasnt left with THM. Its honest with good names infront of the dogs as well as the dogs.

No one uses it? Cause no one can get it. .. Pretty tight thumbed on it they are.. Yes. Panther Redboy is whole different critter. We'll see how they turn out. The 50/50s were the first and are real good bulldogs the 3/4 redboy 1/4 panther are what most rb folks would drool over. This is the first 3/4 panther 1/4 redboy. The FIRST.

I like the lil pup I got. STOKED to see how he turns out.
He reminds me of my JRB dog from Jhenry, the way he moves but different all the way around. No ones ever had this. So Im pretty stoked indeed. will receed to the mtns before to long. Millions of acres to hunt.