What's your favorite body type for Bulldogs and why?

It's ok TDK, hell I just enjoyed the conversation LOL. We are just looking at this amazing creature from differing angles is all. I truly believe we are both correct.

 

Nr 4 : a MESSIAH of Bulldogdom...A closed book.The end.....lmao.

The ADBA standard is well thought out and written . It explains the essence of the breed and puts conformation into perspective when viewing the full picture. Without quoting verbatim...."All things being equal, the dog on top usually wins the competion"....so essentially they were noticeable physical traits that SHOULD help a dog out wrestle its opponent.
Compared to other breeds it does naturally show variety in appearance but to venture to far either side of that spectrum will, be a detriment to the dog.
I persume one of the reasons behind such a standard being written up was to allow fanciers to meet up and/or participate in a fun event....sure as hell wasn't to place a bet and second guess the judge lol.

So that begs the question...Do we really need to add an inch to the back and the reasons why...lmfao.

 

Right back at ya, sir.

 

Like I said earlier that Dog in post 22 is a great looking Dog. and I like the way China man look too.

 

Omg I have set here and listen to this stupid ass shit!!!! I'll break it down for yyou! If all things equal the Gamest dog wins! But like been said it ain't never equal! Tdk hit on a bunch of diff shit that could effect the outcome.But every thing equal on all phases the game dog win! not the one wit the biggest Dick!!!bigest dick only count in long pecker poker!

 

I like all of these ![video=youtube;RaxTQI0M4w8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaxTQI0M4w8&list=WL9A84EEA32B7C7A96[/video]

 

You are correct, everything is not equal....from a physical or gameness standpoint. And that's the point!! Gameness is #1 and more than likely determines the outcome, but certainly some dogs are predisposed to having more physical abilities than others, and that has to factor in. How can it not when considering endurance, wrestling ability, bite, etc. I can't believe that when talking about a performance breed, the physical makeup is just disregarded for some reason. It doesn't make sense. But like I said earlier, NO ONE is wrong in this discussion, every thing comes into play.....it's all good LOL!!!

 

I agree with what was most said as well. The physical aspect is just as important as anything that is why bullies are no good in the show ring. I aldo don't agree that gameness determines the outcome a majority of the time. in most shows one dog is just better than the other and its over on average around the half hour mark. i don't believe game-dogs have been pushed to their limits to show game in such time.so physical aspects come into play, like bad rosemary and her incredible bite, or chinaman's wind, or pure redboy dogs with their lack of mouth. the physical traits are important and a better looking dog is usually better physically built closer to the standard in most cases, but of course there are always exceptions. jmho

 

its over on average around the half hour mark

because there are a miljon of them now

 

Gameness is important, but dog can show game only if his oponent is good like he or dominates over him some time.

How can we be sure for some dogs that they are gameness if they were able to smash oponent in short time?

 

Endurance, Wrestling ability, bite etc... is not based on body type , its based on PERFORMANCE.

 

A Pitbull in perfect form, very nice!

 

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Very nice short1 !!! I love those tall bulldogs......

 

I thought I'd add some info. from Stratton on the physical attributes that are considered advantageous for [] dogs. I will say, before I paraphrase what Stratton stated, that he does consider the heart of the bulldog to be most important. No arguments here!
Stratton begins by explaining that conformation and wrestling ability are closely related and it's usually the bottom dog in the fight that quits. A dog whose muscle and bone structure don't permit him to wrestle on even terms needs more of everything else to win. He's always coming from behind, his career is shorter because each go takes so much out of him. First, he says height to weight ratio is critical. Since both dogs are fought at similar weights, the rangier taller dog usually has the advantage over the stocky dogs. They usually have longer necks which enable them to reach the stifle when the opponent may have his front leg, to take an ear to hold off a shorter necked opponent, or to reach the chest himself when the other dog is trying to hold him off.
Second, the back end. A bulldog does 80% of his work off his hips and back legs. A long sloping hip is important. By its very length, it gives leverage to the femur. A broad hip will carry with it a broad loin and permit a large surface for the attachment of the gluteal and the biceps femoris muscles, the biggest drivers in the power train. The femur should be shorter than the tibia, or lower leg bone. A short femur and long tibia usually means a well bent stifle, which leads to a well bent hock. When a dog finds himself being driven backward, he must rely on the natural springiness of the well bent hock and stifle to control his movement. Dogs with straight or double jointed hocks(like many of the Dibo bred dogs) will tire in the back end more quickly and lose their wrestling ability.
Third, the front end. The dog should have a deep rib cage, with narrow being preferred over round, barrel like chest. A barrel chested dog, in addition to carrying more weight for his height, has an air pump with a short stroke. He must take more breaths to get the same volume of air. The front legs and shoulders must be capable of sustaining punishment, so heaviness can be an asset here. The head shouldn't be too big because it carries more weight and increases the chances of having to fight a bigger dog. Too small a head is easily punished. The head should appear to be about two thirds the width of the shoulders and about 25% wider at the cheeks than the neck. The depth from the top of the head to the bottom of the jaw is important. The jaw is closed by the temporal fossa muscle exerting pressure on the coronoid process. The deeper the head at this point, the more likely the dog is to have leverage advantage both in closing the jaw and in keeping it closed.

Stratton adds that a genetically powerful dog can be a winner in the hands of even an inept trainer, but a genetically weak dog needs a good match maker to win. Conditioning won't do much for him. Think of bones as levers with the joints as the fulcrum and the muscles being the power source. The power being applied to the lever is more effective the farther away from the fulcrum it is applied. Muscles should be long, with attachments deep down the bone, well past the joint. Short muscled dogs are impressive looking but not athletic. A muscle's power value lies in its ability to contract, the greater the difference between its relaxed state and its contracted state, the greater the power.

Stratton goes on to say too much of one thing robs the dog of another thing. His body is called on for speed, power, agility and stamina. The dog must be balanced in all directions.....and on, and on..........

Like I said, Stratton does state that what makes a bulldog what he is dwells in his mind and his heart.
Now, I will just bow out of any more debate and just enjoy the good looking bulldogs the others have posted!!! LOL

 

I find it hard to believe that the nay sayers wouldn't factor conformation into the equation, if all else came up to par. I'll favor one along the lines of the ADBA standard without getting too pedantic or overly anal about it . At a guess, I'd say the majority of APBT does have a tendency to look like what is described above in any case.. (what would your breed description read like?)
Granted, considering that the breed hasn't been corrupted by the show ring, some pure breed specimens do make you question whether or not there could be a cross evolved. That fact alone must surly suggest that they do have a general 'look' about them...umm what's that saying again?..."form follows function"....so keep following bad form get disfunction??...LOL.

 

DAMN, you bowed out of this topic ending it with a STRATTON QUOTE????? You better hurry up and burn them books like you said you was going to do LMAO.