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How can I bring my dog some confidence?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by pittgal, Nov 4, 2013.

  1. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    On one hand you want him around other dogs and at dog parks, on the other hand you dont want him to be bullied. You sound a bit confused and maybe need to do a lit more reading about the breed you already own. I wont even comment on the dog park as you'll very possibly get to see first hand why thats a horrible idea. It sounds like your expectations of this dog are a bit high for a 7 month old pup. One day your dog may just decide he no longer wishes to be bullied and end up on the 6 o' clock news. As Scratching dog already said, your dog dont need doggie friends it only needs you as it's friend. There are plenty of exersizes you can do with your dog that you wouldnt even have to leave your own backyard..
     
  2. gentblade

    gentblade Pup

    "Here is another scene happened before, one day on my way back home with my dog, an loose leashed chihuahua ran to my dog and me and barked rapidly on my dog's face, I was abit scared (due to the sudden) but I was ok with that dog"

    Please do not take it personal, but I have something to think about for you:

    You were scared by an Chihuahua?
    Is there a possibility you ask some characteristics from your dog, that you are missing within yourself?

    Don´t underestimate how a dog is influenced by what the dog owner is showing him in daily life!
    Don´t be angry at your dog, when you wouldn´t have performed better if put in a likewise Situation.

    Take care
     
  3. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    do you own a breakstick already ?????
     
  4. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    but if the breeder where you purchased your pup ..did not mention breakstick ..you might not need it .....
    check it .
     
  5. pittgal

    pittgal Pup

    Thanks for your guys concern, I appreciate that. But Im thinking some you guys are just seterotyping as general public.
    When I browse forums in other countries, where dog game is legal, they often ask:"how can I let my dog get into the game(or mainly, bite)!?!?" If someone post similar question here you guys can just answer:"take him to the dog park then it will happen" right? LOL
    You guys can keep your dogs away from other dogs for their whole life but I am going to let him be around other dogs until one day he doesn't like it anymore, yes, I have breaking stick and watched tutorials. And yes, my dog has a few doggie friends we met in the park then we have play date out of the park. If one day his mind changed, before any accident would happen, I will stop the social, how can I promise? I have watched tons of pit game videos from other contries, and even game between breeds, the "real accident" takes minutes (at least) to happen and I will be able to handle it.(dog fight are not cat fights, it last longer before any serious dmg would happen and yes, I have breaking stick in my bag pack always just in case). I carefully choose which dog I should introduce to my dog.
    And yes, there are other pits, pit/AM mixes, pit/pointer mixes and everything, and dog fights happen in the park (usually huskies and others are the bad dogs in the park), nobody give a dime about it as long as no people is injured.(told by my friend: here police think if you go to the dog park you take your own risk for your dog having unpleasant experience).
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    For another question(sorry I dont know how to quote multiple in one reply), due to historical info, do one need to game test himself before game test his dog??????? Weird question. I was sacred or surprised because the chihuahua ran out from a corner so I didn't see it, I noticed it because it ran into my dog from some corner that my eyesight couldnt cover until I heard the rapid bark i was like "whoa shit what happened" then I realized theres a chihuahua under my feet. Sorry if I use the word scared wrongly, I am not very good at english.
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    Yes, I keep educating myself since half year before I got my dog, I went through pbc, gopitbull, and finally mainly study in this forum cuz I think this one is the best. I also spend time reading patpatrick, garner, and other old guys info left on the internet, as well as dog training studies in general. I also learn about click training as a general animal training method, I really spend alot of time of training, behaves and nutrition. I take really good care of my pets and it was due to the desire of making my pets happier that lead me to post and ask.
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    Because I knew my dog is still a puppy, so I asked if that is what I should expect at this point (earlier in this thread) or can I use some methods to encourage him. It is not because I WANT TO MAKE HIM BITE BACK AND BALL HARD, it is because I know if he keep having those unpleasant experience, that is the true trigger to make him become aggressive.

    If a dog A hump dog B, and B doesn't like it, what should B and B's owner do? Should Owner B go to every other dog's owner and tell'em "hey watch your dog my dog doesn't like other dog humping him." Or it is an easier way for the Dog, B just turn around and shown Dog A that he doesn't like it? No big deal right?
    Do you guys walk your dog and is interupted by a loose leash chihuahua and your dog turn his head away and you feel like :"hmmm, thats what I want on an apbt?"
    Or as a dog owner more or less you are expecting your dog to at least do something right?
    I read a new before that somebody's toy breed dog sacrifice itself to stop a bear for sec in order to let his owner run away when out in woods, isn't that some basic function that we want our dog to serve in some emergency situation?
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    Thank you guys for educating me but I think besides educating me you guys probably have some good ideas to build a dog's confidence and dignity.
     
  6. pittgal

    pittgal Pup

    Aight I understand you guys thinking dog park is a time bomb waiting to kill something. Let's say if I don't go to the dog park anymore, I will still encounter other loose leash dogs or stop for a talk and other dog passes by
    (because it is an apartment complex not a farm in the country where closest neighbour is 2 miles away, I offer the best to my dog but only as long as I can afford it)

    I will never be able to promise that I can keep my dog away from every other dog, so let him be at least somewhat comfortable with other dogs is the main reason I take him to the dog park( plus if I am too tired, I don't have a back yard, I dont let my dog run free in the complex), dog park seem to be only option idea before I get a mill. That is why I bring dog park as example, but even I don't go to the dog park, the problem I want to ask is not solved, and that is why I keep trying to explain what I am really wanting to do with my dog.
    E.G, some theory thinks that let unconfidence dogs win more tug-o-war type of games and let them get the bait and have it is a good way to improve the confidence, but that need a good drop obeidience and my dog is doing really well (wild and crazy) when we are playing (also mentioned in OP), so I don't think improving his performance in "flirt pole" and other type of games will help with it.

    Back to the chihuahua situation, sometimes similar situation he will look at me and I want to tell him" just get him off you if you don't like it", but dog does not understand english, so I have to have a method to show him that, my question is, is there any method to show him that, or I have to help him do everything, in this situation?
     
  7. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    yes i have
    from 6 months old ..no more playing at with other dogs .....
    when you walking with him ..and you have to pas other people with dog ....when road is smal
    you lift up your dog ...til there are past ...put him back on the street and walk on..
    no contact at al with other dogs ...til
    when it have 12 months take the baby fat away ...but stil no contact with other dogs .
    when it is 20 months ....go for the first time to park ..and let him play .....and you .
    if you stil no happy with his behavior ....
     
  8. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    so til 18 months you always lift up your dog when the street is to narrow .....
     
  9. pittgal

    pittgal Pup

    I know the way you are trying to do is build a dam and keep all the stuff inside of the dam, one day you break the dam the flood just go crazy, I said multiple times I by no mean to do it, or I can just keep him in the crate or chain 10+ hours a day and let him get to excercise for 1 hours or 2 and someday I put a chicken or whatever living in there and lock the door up I can still get same result.

    No, I said, I by no mean to do that.
     
  10. pittgal

    pittgal Pup

    But lifting my dog up and keep him in my arm, is it good for him? I know you didn't mean to answer my question seriously but I am still willing to ask for education if that will lead to an result that everytime he sees other dog he wants to see me lifting him up?
     
  11. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    no crate's better little chain (2.5 feet) .
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    no he don't like when you lift him up ..
    he want to smel the other dog ..but you not allow him.....
    and that you do til 18 months ..pulling away lifting up........

    so the other with a chiwawa..are thinking you a very polide lady .....lol
     
  12. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    that chain is ment for in the apaprtment of course ...
    appartmenyt dogs are having walks evryday cople of hours .
     
  13. BLUE8BULL

    BLUE8BULL CH Dog

    ...are you saying that you can't walk your dog in say a, industrail estate where there is no other dogs,,ya think it is easy to break a pit dog off another b-cause you read some book's....well then no worry's..ya have your stick.......a-lot of people don't want to belive,,,that pit-dog's don't make ideal pets..now wait +see a-lot off big kennel names will say they do,,,b-cause they would sell a dog to any-body that has the money..that's a sad fact....if it's ok in your country to let your dog go for it then ya have no worrys(yet)when people look at your q????'s..it seems you have no experence with dog's,,a pup will be dominated by other dogs,that will change when he gets older..............
     
  14. pittgal

    pittgal Pup

    I am not saying I have to, but there will be similar situation happen in the future because I live in high density areas. what I am trying to do now is not to change him dramatically overnight, I just want to ask if that is normal, in this case and situation, if other experienced owner tells me yes, then I will just don't bother thinking and let him grow out of it, if not, is there anyways to help my dog to deal with it. but everyone so far are most likely educating me about the dog park, thank you guys I got it and I will learn from it, but other than that is still my question left there with no answer.
    Thank you blue, it is normal right? Because I said I choose playmates carefully for him so mainly who he play with are fixed female dogs with similar or slightly larger sizes, or fixed males or even fixed puppies around same age. That was why I was confusing. If most experienced apbt owners here tell me yes it is normal that he needs longer time to learn to deal with it, then I know ok I should be even more careful then give him time, right?
    If my dog is dominated by a 50+ pounds bossy dog, I am not too stupid to just deal with it and change a place.
     
  15. keystone

    keystone CH Dog

    bleubel i am saying that i think you never saw a gamedog in your life ....
    and you have a big leac of understanding ......
     
  16. pittgal

    pittgal Pup

    Since I am nowhere being close to the [] nor do i want to get involve into it, my only resources are books and videos and internet words, that is sad but that is my resources. Not only books, but some videos too, where in the__ and guys need to break dogs. The video is with some zoom in parts too, very detail. I don't want to use them any days but if one day I need to use it I think I will be able to use it. BTW in some other coutries forum they have up-to-date report, hours long video and technical detail about the play and everything (I dont go to that forum often because I dont like this sport much and I dont like ppl there talking it as it is something to be really proud of) I dont want to talk too much about the game since it is illegal here and I dont want to involve into it, but I am learning those tech in handling the dogs just in case, I take my dog to the dog park means I have evaluate the risk and I am on MY own responsibility to take any results and trust me, I dont want to fail this breed not even a sec of thinking.
     
  17. pittgal

    pittgal Pup

    And btw from all I know alot of [] dogs wasn't born []. The handler need to dig the heart of [] out of it at certain age, and get the dog into the sport, alot of work the handler need to do for some dogs. Maybe they are not well bred enough huh (I feel like you are assuming that every apbt is [] dog regardless of how they were raised? Some dogs are just "cold" or whatever word pro use it. I am ok with my dog being either hot and cold. Hot = no more other dogs, no more social life. Cold = moderate social, supervised, see how it goes.

    Either way I try to be my dog's best owner, it is just a question I met on the road of being my dog's best owner. If you don't like my question, I am sorry about it and I will be a looker instead of a asker then. No big deal,

    but I will really appreciate it if anyone tells me that "oh yea it is normal no worries he will grow and learn to deal with it, but be careful when he is having such unpleasant experience you should pick your dog up and leave or talk to him nicely and tell him it is ok" or "you can feed him some raw see if that helps lolololol"
    whatever types of answers are helpful to me, and thanks for you worrying about my dog.
     
  18. pittgal

    pittgal Pup

    and as I mentioned in OP, except those awkward situations, my dog is what i want. I enjoying everything else with him and I think he is my ideal pets. I was really pissed the day I posted my OP so my words lost its function to express myself precisely.

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    I dont know if this is normal because multiple other (from what i seen and interact with) same age puppies seem to have developed enough brain to handle such situation already, but mine is not, so i am wondering if it is normal or not:

    if Yes - thank you guys, I will let him grow out of it.
    if No - What should I do if similar situations happen again?
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    I dont know how my dog is going to kill a 10mo fixed female boxer or a run-by bossy 50 pounds mutt doing humping thing before I am able to stop him (when I am 3 feet away), but anyways, thank you.

    And yes, alot of game bred apbt are naturally [] dogs I believe, but I don't think mine is elite enough to finish one similar size dogs faster than I stop him, but thank you!
     
  19. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Lmao. I hope your dog never cranks up because if you think reading a book and watching videos is going to prepare you to easily break a dog off then you are in for quite a big suprise if and when it happens. The answer to your question is the dog will more than likely grow out of his submissive behavior as he reaches maturity. More than likely, not definitly. Also, while you could probally break him off another dog now as a pup it wont be that easy as an adult. Also, the dog will probally kill a smaller breed faster than your going to be able to react to it. The chiwawa story for example, if your dog was an adult and that happened the smaller dog will be dead before you even have a chance to tighten up on the lead. People are giving you good advise but you seem bent on learning it the hard way. These dogs do not need dog friends, these dogs do not break off as easily as someone who does it all the time does it in a video and the dogs have no buisness being in a dog park of any kind. It is what it is and underestimating these facts of the breed is going to put you and/or your dog in risk of injury as well as just more bad press from another person that thinks they can train out centeries of genetics. Good luck to you and I hope you never have an accident but it seems highly likey that you will.
     
  20. dajuice

    dajuice Big Dog

    You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about! That dog could kill the average dog in minutes before you can get that break stick out of your bag. I'm convinced you want to see your dog fight to prove to you that he's a bulldog. Sad!!! I see people like you with these dogs all the time and all I can do is shake my head! Do right by that dog and keep him from mauling other dogs or being mauled himself. If you think you can predict when he will turn on your sadly mistaken or misinformed.
     

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