Red Nose,Blue Nose,Black Nose, and other Noses....

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[font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]By Jason Mann

If you are confused about all the names you see associated with the American Pit Bull Terrier the following article will help answer your questions and clear up some common misconceptions too.

First and foremost there is only one breed of dog that can be called a "Pit Bull" and that is "The American Pit Bull Terrier."

The APBT is the only breed with the words, "Pit Bull" in its name, therefore when someone refers to a "Pit Bull" using capital letters they are talking about a purebred American Pit Bull Terrier.

What happened is, the media and people who don't have a clue about what a real APBT looks like started attaching generic names to dogs that are similar in appearence.

The most common dogs referred to as "pitbulls" are:

• The American Staffordshire Terrier (a close cousin to or some think the same breed as the APBT)
• The Staffordshire Bull Terrier (also referred to as the English Staffordshire Bull Terrier)
• The American Bulldog
• The Dogo Argentino
• The Bull Terrier
• The Presa Canerio
• The American Pit Bull Terrier
• or any mix of the above breeds.

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How this nose color craze started I'm not sure of. However, I do have an idea about what caused it.

There are many types of American Pit Bull Terrier. You have show dogs, working dogs, and various line types. One of the most famous line types is the Colby line.

You also have breed types. More on this in a later article. Right now we'll stick with a basic understanding of the two.

Breed Types - A breed of dogs appearance as a breed. The American Pit Bull Terrier is a medium sized dog that is well built and muscular that ranges from 35-65 lbs in weight. This is a breed type.

Line Types - Line types are a result of a specific breeding programs effects on the breed type. Going back to the Colby example, after 100 years of line breeding they have produced a distinct looking do. Black brindle with white blazes or completely white heads. They also have a fawn and fawn/white type of dog they produce.

Sorrell dogs are another example line type. Sorrell dogs are usually fawn with no other colorings and a black muzzle and nose. These dogs are very "average" looking in appearance but the years of breeding have produced a distinct looking dog and after you've been around for a while you can tell a Sorrell from a Colby dog just by looking at them.

Now we get to the meat of the matter. Where did these red noses and blue noses come from?

I suspect the Old Family Red Nose dogs out of Ireland started this trend. People started calling them, "Old Family Reds" and "Red noses" because they had a distinct red coat with red nose with golden eyes. I have never seen a real Old Family Red Nose but from discriptions they were gorgeous dogs I'm sure.

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This is crazy if you ask me.

I get questions from people saying, "I have a red/red nose, what breed is she?"

Shes a red/red nose American Pit Bull Terrier. The same goes for any APBT with a colored nose, coat or whatever. They are the same breed they just have different characteristics.

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There is only one Pit Bull and that is The American Pit Bull Terrier.

If they have a red nose, blue nose, blue coat, red coat, brindle coat, cream coat, fawn with white patches or a black mask, it doesn't matter at all. They are still 100% American Pit Bull Terriers (unless they are known mix breeds).

So next time some one starts talking about their different breed of APBT called a "red nose" you will know they have no clue what they are talking about and they simply have an American Pit Bull Terrier with a red nose.

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Exactly.
I always tell people this. Look at poodles. There are white ones, black, apricot, chocolate, whatever. They are all different colors, but they are still poodles. It doesn't matter what color or size, they are still American Pit Bull Terriers. There is no such thing as an English pit bull, mexican pit bull, etc. EVEN IF the dog was shipped over from a breeder in England, it is STILL an American Pit Bull Terrier.
People also think that if a dog is taller and bigger, it must be an "American Pit", and if it's shorter and stockier, it's an "English Pit". NONSENSE!!! APBTs can be between 30-100 lbs, although the breed standard says 35-65 lbs is Ideal. IMO, anything bigger than about 80 lbs has to be mixed, or the breeder has been breeding for size only for the past 10 years or so.
People have actually asked me if my female is a Rednose. SHe is the CLEARY black nosed dog on the right below. They have asked if my male was a Bluenose.
IF IT HAS A RED NOSE, it's a red nosed dog. If it has a blue nose, then it's a blue nosed dog. But NEITHER mean it's a different type. It doesn't make the dog any SMARTER, MEANER, COOLER, GAMER, STRONGER, NOTHING. A black nosed dog is just the same inside as a blue nosed dog, or a red nosed dog. A Brindle is the striped pattern between 2 colors.

It's SOOOOO simple, yet it's hard for people to understand.

I have seen the trend with other breeds too. The Chihuahua for example. I have a Min-Pin, and people will ask me what kind of Chihuahua she is. There is only TWO kinds of Chihuahua, long coat, and short coat. If my dog was a Chi, she would OBVIOUSLY be a short coat! What do they mean by "what kind of Chihuahua is that?" I HAVE NO CLUE. They never can tell me.

Same crap with Rottwielers. There are NOT DIFFERENT KINDS! People think there are "German Rottwielers". THEY ARE ALL GERMAN! THey are a German breed! Just like A Rhodesian Ridgeback is an African breed, and a Pharoh hound is an Egyptian breed. If the Rottie comes from a kennel in Germany, it is still just a "Rottwieler", but it's from Germany.

 

alot of people (especially expert Rottie breeders /owners) will sort of disagree on that one. Yes, its a german bred BUT what they are referring to is the "bloodlines" so to speak. German referring to those dogs directly imported from Germany and American referring to dogs thats family has been "established" so to speak in america..(thats not agood choice of word.. hopefully you understand what Im trying to say and yes, there is a difference.. allthough mostly becuase many american bred rotties are from BYBs and not nearly up to standard as the German bred Rotties

and I will also disagree with the OFRN statement... It was the "old Family" strain that came from ireland and these dogs were not all red /red nose. Dogs from the strain that showed this trait later became known as Old Family reds .. and then the Old Family red nose phrase came into effect... to describe certain dogs from certain bloodlines ..but not all dogs from Ireland were "OFRN"

 

there is no such thing a german rott or american rott. look on the papers it says rottweiler. it doesnt say german rottweiler.
i see that crap ALL the time in the local paper german otts huge head 100lbs. they are all the same dog just as red pits and blue pits are the same as brindle pits they are all the same breed just different bloodlines.

 

name a few blue pits of yesteryear.i mean from say the 20's through until the late 70's...also if you think you know of one post a pic!!!i'm sure if these blues were pure there would have been some lurking in the years i mentioned

 

I like this article, it gets down to it.

 

this is a ok article i think i like it

 

again, that is WHAT I SAID .. GERMAN REFERRING TO DOGS BRED IN GERMANY vs the Rottie Lines established in AMERICA Im telling you right now, from working with EXPERTS in the field, even THEY refer to dogs as being "german" or "american" .. not that its a different breed, but based on the dogs BLOODLINES and where the dog was BRED

what happend is that idiots take this to a different level..

As for APBTS.. well what about AM STAFFS HUH. Am STaffs that are UKC reg as APBTS.... Since you cannot register an APBT as an AM Staff, but you can reg an Am Staff as an APBT... hmmm Papers say APBT so it must be???

and again.. do some research... Blue has been around for centuries.. but most people either culled or didnt call their dogs blue .. (blue poll (paul) dogs..)

 

Howard Heinzl spoke on blue pits, so it is obvious they are not a new creation if Heinzl spoke on them. Also Rocksteady is right - most blues of yore weren't called blues. Many times they were called "mouse," a term which we have since replaced with "blue."

As a former Rottie owner I can tell you that when Rott ppl talk about German/American, they are talking about strains, not breeds. Just like we say our dog is a Colby dog or a Zebo dog - we know it is still a pit bull but we call them by the strain to let folks what KIND of pit bull it is. Same thing here. The German style Rott is bigger & blocker. It has a sharper temp & has more Euro dogs in the ped. The American type is taller & leaner. It has a softer temp & has more American show dogs in the ped. The term "German" or "American" just descibes different STRAINS (or types if you will) in the SAME BREED.

Hope this helps!

 

Thanks ABK..thats exactly what I was referring to..

 

I get questions and comments like this all the time. The ignorance is amazing, at best. I have an unregistered pit ("Boo"). He has the 'button ears'. Because of this trait, I have several people tell me he is a Colby Pit (he is also brindle with a blaze and socks). Truth be told, if I had a ped for him, I probably could trace his lines back to Colby dogs. I can do this with any apbt. I have also heard that my Maggie is a 'Texas Red Tipped' because she is a flashy chocolate with a red nose and white tipped tail. Considering I am from Fl, I like to tell everyone she is a 'Florida Red Tipped' LOL. I had a girl tell me the other day, that her pit bull was a cross of American/Blue Red Nose/Gator Mouth. She asked if I had ever heard of the blue red nose. When I told her there was no such thing, she looked at me in shock. When I told her there was no such thing as a "gator mouth pit" she cussed me and said I didn't know what I was talking about:rolleyes: My point is, people will never get it. They will never understand unless they study the breed. Unfortunately, it seems as though more and more pit owners could care less about learning, they just want to sound like they know what they are talking about. The scariest part of all though, legislators and maniacal journalists are listening to them.....

 

Cudos to all that posted, past and present. Very interesting thread.

 

Add Rocksteady to the list of quality banned members.

Back to our regularly scheduled thread

 

Hayy
Thanks for that!!

umm 1 thing.
doo youu know how the bluenose n the blue/grey colour came into the pits???

iver never seen a bluegamedog from bak in the days!!

nd people are telling me there x'd with an amstaff or something!!??

please tell me!


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I like to take that old family red and mix it with dat old family blue, make some of dat old family purple nose. Dem dogs are unstoppable, dats why they never did it back in the day, the dogs weren't allowed in the pit, too unstoppable. :cool:

 

Funny, I haven't seen that guy that swears all red nosed dogs go back to OFRN dogs respond on this topic...:rolleyes:

 

i get red out my blacks and black out my reds cause it's all in there ped's
that's how they were breD...

solid blk white chest MALE X white red brindle patches red nose set it off FEMALE GAVE ME NO RED NOSES 3 BLK WHITE MARK AND 2 WERE SOLID BLK 1 BUCKSKIN 3 BLACK BRINDLE 2BUCKSKIN BLK MSK NO WHITE NO RED JUST FOR CHEST AND WHITE BLAZES OR MUZZLES ON SOME ALL TOGETHER 11 BUT I THINK THE MALES GENE WERE VERY DOMINANT OR MAYBE SHE SHARED A FEW OF THE SAME COLOR PIGMENTATIONS :cool:

 

Dakd - there were blue game dogs. :dogkiss:

 

Bump bump bump.... This was a hilarious read! I'd like to revive it..... Where are all the blue dogs from way back??? Any pics??