Bull Terrier Breeds and Protection Training, Yes or No

Recently, the bull terrier breeds (apbt, amstaff, staffy, ambullies, etc.) are beginning to become more and more prolific in the field of protection work. I was wondering, what are everyone's thoughts on this are? Also for those that do protection work, with or without bull terrier breeds, I was wondering if you protection trainers would be willing to share your input on this. I know the stigma associated with the apbt as a manbiter, and I also am aware that these bull terrier breeds, especially the apbt, was designed to be human friendly. However, I'd also like to point out that a protection dog is actually not human aggressive, he is simply doing a job and is trained to either attack on command or trained to ascertain and discern from a friendly human to a hostile assailant.

 

I did and do it!
It´s a great sport and asks a lot of discipline and your dog will benefit from it as he can work out all his drives!
The main thing is you have to have a decoy that knows what he´s doing and obedience is the key before you start with Schutzhund at all!
You have to tell Schutzhund (prey oriented) from civil protection (defense and aggression).
Properly done you and your dog will get a closer relationship and you and him have a "job" to do that will provide great fun!
Best would be to visit a Schutzhund ring and take a look for yourself!
And no a trained Schutzhund won´t become a people mean dog at all!
The opposite is the case! You have a dog that is satisfied because he´s allowed to work mentally and physically aswell as you learn how to control him and teach him obedience even in situations that are stimulating his drives!

 

Wrong....pit bulls were not bred to protect.They do it naturally as needed.Training them to attack humans(protection)is not how they are wired...I can't think of 1 gch German Shepard...the reason pit bulls get fucked up is we humans try to change them too much.The reason in many cases they attack people is cause an owner allowed it or taught it....gives them a bad name.An APBT can protect just fine w/o help.Once it's taught they see humans as prey.PB is a dog w/high prey drive....My dogs rarely even bark...ever...if they do something's up.A rottie senses shit a block down the road and will bark like crazy.PB's are excellent at agility stuff though and other competition stuff.Please,please do not put APBT in the same category with any other dog including other bull breeds....simply put,there is zero comparison.

 

Coach, you seem like the blind man that is talking about colour!
So please leave your myths to your own!
I can tell that you don´t have no clue how to train a dog at all but raise your mouth with common blabla without even knowing the difference between Schutzhund and Protection!

Can you tell a dogs head from it´s tail anyways?

 

I have trained APBT and American Bulldogs (as well as Malinois, GSDs, and Rotties) in protection sports as well as personal protection. One thing is clear, a sport dog and a "real" dog are two different things.

The APBT that I have used played a good game and had fun. It never carried over into a situation where it created human aggression and I would actually put money down that those dogs would be the least reliable when it came to a serious situation where I actually required protection - simply because biting a man was so much against how they are wired, they had to overcome a lot of conflict in order to do it. Conversely, I have seen APBT that were higher drive that brought more to the work, but again they were not what I would label a true PP dog.

The great thing about this kind of training (as long as you go to a good trainer) is that no matter what you teach your dog as far as the protection/bite work goes is that the obedience comes with it. It is CONTROLLED AGGRESSION.

If you want to get involved, I say do it. It's an amazing journey.

 

For the sake of clarifiying the issue I want to point out that there is a distinct difference between Protection Work and Protection Sport, since the former takes place in an uncontrolled environment with multiple variables involved while the latter takes place in a controlled environment with a specific focus.

From my limited experience one does not compare with the other, but it is obvious that based on the fact that the APBT is bred for function, the traits that have been bred into the APBT do not coincide with the activity of Protection Work.

I am not against Schutzhund, but for all intents and purposes it is a sport by definition, while Protection Work, at least to my understanding, pertains to real life situations. I don't believe the APBT as a breed is best suited for this task. Now I am not saying that an APBT absolutely cannot perform this function, but hypothetically speaking if I had a yard full of bulldogs (real life situation) that I wanted to protect with a few dogs I would most definitely not use the same dogs that I am trying to protect, I would use a breed of dog that is tried and true in protection work as a breed and then use those from good working stock to acheive my goal of protecting my yard.

Other bull terrier breeds I would cannot comment on except that my personal experience with my "pitbull" mutt is that I would absolutely not want to train her in protection work or sport since she will "hunt" just about anything that moves if left to her own devices unsupervised, chickens, roosters, squirells, horses etc, etc....

 

i believe e.b.t blood has been used with success as a cross with g.s.d and mallinios in the past for man work. apparently the e.b.t [in general] has better suited drives than any other bull breed for this type of work. im only repeating the opinions of friends of mine that are into these dogs but, anyone have any experience on this type of cross or line of dogs with ebt back somewere in the line ?

 

You mean X- Herders or X-Malinois?
They do sometimes carry Am Staf or APBT in them!

 

Do not do attack work with pit bulls at all, shit will happen.

 

BULLSHIT!

Where do you know it from? did you ever work any dog of any breed in Schutzhund?
Did you hear it somewhere and just talking what you´ve heard without reflection?
Probably!
As most of these DON`T DO IT CRYERS never work any dog at all!

 

I'm not into Schutzhund, don't know anything about it. Pit bulls where not bred for attack work, sure they can do it and they can do it better than any other breed of dog out there and they will do it with the greatest of enthusiasm, but if you attack train them they will attack, maybe some kid. You can't stop anybody from doing what they are going to do with their dogs but I would strongly recommend that it should most definitely not be done with this particular breed of dog. The dogs have already got a bad rep for biting people without some idiots trying to encourage the dogs to do this as their work. I've had one of my dogs kill a person, the dog was not attack trained. The owner had friends around and he was play wrestling with his friends girlfriend on the carpet. The dog came in from outside, attacked and took her throat out. Protecting her master I suppose, it was not a nice situation to be in.

 

That´s bullshit and as far away from the truth as any statement could be!
In fact Schutzhund is prey oriented!
So it´s no difference if you work him on a springpole or flirtpole or sleeve!
the only difference is that you learn to control your dog and teach him obedience within a high stimulating situation!
For example he has to release on command and they´ll do!
Show me one dog of someone not working his dogs calling a high stimulated animal off the pole!
Get my point?
So I´m more than 20 years doing Schutzhund work with my dogs and never created a human aggressive animal in any aspect!
So please bring some proof of dogs that turned people mean and uncontrolable when worked on a prey oriented Schutzhund!

You won´t find any! Quite as simple!

 

Quote:- "In fact Schutzhunt is prey oriented", so you would be teaching the Pit Bull that his prey is to be a human being, not good practice in my opinion. There are a whole bunch of different breeds of dogs that are actually bred for the purpose of attack work, a Pit Bull will try to kill his prey when the objective of an attack dog would be just to bring a man down to the ground. I really think it shouldn't be done with this breed, but go ahead do what you want to do, nobody can stop you from doing it, but be warned, shit will happen.

 

Please get it!
The prey is the sleeve!
That´s why I as a decoy can easily throw away the sleeve right within the action and the dogs are heading after the sleeve!

I guess you are way to stubborn and small minded to even try to get an idea of what this sport is really about as you created yourself an image as false and untruthful as it is and on top of that believe it to be correct! LOL!

By the way, don´t you think that every canine wants to kill it´s prey?
Did you know that making prey doesn´t have anything to do with aggression at all?
Making prey for a canine being is about the same stimulus as if you are playing football!
It´s rather enjoyment than aggression!

Please get some knowledge about canine behaviour first and then you might can tell aggression from excitement!

Following your logic you don´t even are allowed to grab a thug and wrestle with your dog for it as he might develop the urge to kill you as he mistakes you as its prey! LOL!

People some of you have weird believes!

Where do you get your knowledge from?

 

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The sleeve is the prey otherwise this dog would have released the sleeve and turn on the decoy!

 

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Absolute Obedience under high stimulus!

 

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Your APBT can do this also!

 

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Just watch the French Ring part!

 

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