Female Lines

So I'm looking to purchase a second dog, and prefer females. I was thinking about trying to get a good female puppy from a dominant and prepotent female line. I know it doesn't all come from the sire, but from the dam as well. What are some good bitch lines that you would recommend?

 

Dolly rom and Awesome baby rom come ta mind

 

Might look at Ch Lizzy or Abbey.

 

Years ago i almost baught this one for the same reasons lol im still kickin myself for not gettin her: http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=8995

 

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=336703
good stuff

 

Good luck. Pups out of good bitches usually stay were they are or come with a hefty price tag. Just looking for pups from honest breeders is your best bet. If you go chasing bloodlines you are sure to run into some peddler dying to take your money. If you just got to have a female out of good bitches I got the tightest honeybunch around. Let me know what color you want so I can pick one out of the newspaper and hang some papers on her. Just kidding, but it happens.

 

Sire and dam are 50% equally in theory, that means if you want to breed dogs by your standard, you'll focus in a Male, just because it'd take twice the time and twice the stress for a bitch to get the same results as if you used a male instead.

So dont be blind, by breeding good females you wont get a % better in females. You should look for the total % based in sire and dam. They are equal genetically.

But its true, some breeders just will look at the males and not the females, so if you have the greatest stud alive at the time, if you breed her to subpar bitches, the % will go down drastically.

 

Honeybunch....

 

I use to be into Labradors, we started with a well bred, prepotent bitch, trained her, competed/showed her, and when it came time to breed her, we found an equally amazing stud dog. It was slow going, we didn't keep a female from every litter, but if we had a female that looked really promising as a pup then we kept her. I only had 5 females and one male that I would stud out. But, we wanted a solid bitch line that distinguished us from the others and combined the bloodlines and pedigrees that we decided were great lines to continue with and combine. I also prefer owning females over males, just personal reference I suppose based on my own experiences. So of course, when I get the "perfect" bitch (I know no dog is perfect, just a figure of speech), I will find the stud dog to compliment her when the time comes. Thanks for your replies. I appreciate the feedback.

 

So you already know how it works out!
I´d be looking for direct offspring of top producing females!
See dogs like Honeybunch are far away back in the pedigree.
Therefore I´ll look for a line that is producing high percentages and look out for a female that I´d think would pass the traits I´m looking for aswell as the male is of the same importance!
So you´d be better of to check the dogs you are going to get a pup / dog from and what they already have produced and did theirselves!

 

hahahahaha tom wishes he had better then dolly and it was awesome baby and she was a way better producer then any female he EVER owned name ONE that even comes close to Awesome Baby ROM??? Hell do your homework that there is one of the top producing females ever lol!!!!

 

I guess my post was not politically correct?

 

politically correct that post wasnt even close to being CORRECT lmao!!!

 

I was just showing my love for the Tom Garner Enthusiasts. After all there are people that have had direct sons off Cuda and they pal in comparison to TG's stuff.

 

If you say so im not on toms nuts if i wanted one off that line id go to someone that was actually using them and not just breeding over a 1000 puppies a year this is y i dont post on the frisco or chinaman threads lol

 

I've been warned on my participation on those threads as well. Thought you would be able to pick up on the sarcasm.

 

nah i dont follow those lines although i see some pretty bold statements lmao

 

I agree. A virtual treasure trove of information as well.

 

Here is an interesting perspective that I ran into.

This article was originally written in the 1930s by Dr. Kleemann (by whom the German Kleemann Seiger or KS tests were developed and for whom they are named. It was first reprinted in the Kurzhaar Blatter in August of 1962 then subsequently translated into English and reprinted in the GSP News in 1963. Once again it has been reprinted here (after being edited for brevity) for your review.
What is the meaning of "Motherlines?" The idea is too often confused by breeders with "motherside" or the bottom side of a pedigree ... but Motherlines is the whole of the bloodlines of all the mothers, including the father's mother and the other mothers on the father's side of the pedigree -but always the mothers ...

[the success of Motherline breeding comes from utilizing very important sex-linked genes present only in the additional DNA of the X chromosomes of great producing (Stamm) females ... since a male dog has 76 paired chromosomes plus an X and a Y chromosome the only place a male can inherit these important sex-linked genes is through his mother ... therefore; when this son becomes a father only his resulting daughters (never his sons) get this valuable X chromosome back again (along with another X chromosome from their own mother) ... in turn, when these resulting grand-daughters become mothers the art of breeding lies in selecting only the male offspring that inherited this valuable X chromosome (as these great-grandsons will be able to pass the important sex-linked genes on to their get) ... in so doing we bring the influence of the Stamm female (through this valuable X chromosome) to the topside of the pedigree and dramatically improve our chance of producing great pups true to type when we breed to quality females from the same Stamm line ... thus the importance of having an unbroken Motherline on both sides of the pedigree]

Pedigrees only serve as a guide to show us what "blood" couldbe carried by certain animals. Only through careful study of a particular animal's offspring and intimate knowledge of its ancestors can we determine what "blood" an animal is actually carrying. It is necessary to breed both according to bloodlines and performance to achieve success. We are looking for animals who are outstanding performers within the same bloodline.

It is only by inbreeding that we can double up on the good and bad qualities so we can see what we are dealing with. When faults in the line come to the surface we can skim them off and get rid of them. By out-crossing we only cover up the faults and reduce our knowledge of what to expect in subsequent litters. Anyone who condemns inbreeding must in turn condemn the detective who brings crimes to light as well as the messenger who brings bad news.

A good broodbitch is feminine ... of finer build, a light and pretty head with a smaller and thinner neck, lots of nobility, but also depth for growing pups. You should be able to recognize a good broodbitch at 100 meters and not find it necessary to look between her hips to tell her sex. Often I have seen young bitches which looked like grown males receiving much attention and being considered as future outstanding broodbitches. These bitches never lived up to expectations.

And then there is Herta von der Maylust who was considered a "cat" at shows because of her fine build and light bone structure and was advised not to be bred because (it was thought) she would only produce poor small puppies. Yet Herta is a Stamm (original ancestor) mother behind many of our great dogs today.

If you have a bitch you must select a stud with complimentary motherlines. It is much simpler if you have a bitch from a great motherline so that you can profit from the long experience of breeders in that motherline and have little difficulty in choosing a good stud dog. With a little known motherline it is difficult to find the proper mate since there is but a small number of dogs to choose from. Look for a pup with a continuous motherline from known performers.

When sire and dame have the same motherlines you can generally count on outstanding pups and you will have classy breeding stock. To improve your motherline you must bring together matching bloodlines holding fast to the good qualities and abolishing the bad. You then breed for performance, boldness, conformation, nose and waterwork. The Shorthair must be able to hunt for hours without tiring, he must have an outstanding nose and never give up on the retrieve of wounded game regardless of the distance.

 

First off there isnt a such thing as a female line, but there bitches that threw good hounds that was already out of a specific line. but some choices would be some hunchbunch dogs