creatine/protein powder

lolololol .............

 

Theobromine is what is in cocoa and chocolate.It would take quite a bit to hurt a bigger dog. It tells here online. I thought I read were you was pulling fat off of your chicken. If not I apologize. Thats what the remark was about. If so were in your research did you find that? As far as trading diets my dogs seem to do good on thiers so I'll stick with it. I'm curious though since you use ground beef what fat/meat ratio you use.

 

raw deer meat sounds like the way to go.

 

He did say he stripped the fat (and skin is gone in the pic) from the chicken in another thread.

Dogs NEED fat!! If you're feeding raw and aren't giving fat you're fucking up.

 

this protein / creatine thing has been discussed before in here so you may wanna make a search.

creatine in humans withholds water in humans so it may do the same to dogs.

creatine as far as i remember needs some simple carb with it in order to be absorbed correctly. otherwise it may flush out most of it. not sure if same with dogs.

whey protein, contrary to popular belief, is greatly absorbed post-workout. at other times converts to piss mostly. so if you wanna feed it at other times, not postworkout, maybe look into other mixed source proteins that contain whey, casein, egg protein etc.

i believe that supplements are generaly overrated. there is too much marketing going into them and a huge industry that makes money.

apart from cost, i dont see any reason to give a protein supplement instead of some chicken for example.

 

Agree with Boogie re: Deer meat.

You would give a protein supplement instead of chicken etc because 80% of potential recovery is achieved in the first 10 mins after exercise so the protein has to be liquid in order to be utilised by the body, solid food cannot be broken down fast enough. If I remember rightly there are only 3 manufacturers of protein powder world wide and most companies that buy it don`t buy premium quality, some people argue that a mixture of whey isolate, concentrate, and casein gets better results but a top quality isolate is the best. The two that I would recommend are Poliquin and Jay Robb, both also do unflavoured. IMO protein powder should only used as post-workout nutrition, giving it to your dog at other times in the day will make it fat. If your dog is lean then it will get better results by adding a carb powder such as Maltodextrin although it would be better to use a mixed carb powder that has different glycaemic curves. If your dog isn't that lean then I wouldn't add a carb powder.

Creatine - not sure what you want to achieve but it will make your dog bigger but with less definition, if you are seriously going deep into your conditioning it can by used as an alternative to ribose to delay the 'Critical Drop-Off Point' (the point at which work drops to a level that stops producing gains and only increases the need for more recovery - termed 'garbage sets').

 

I agree. Protein and creatine supplements are convenient. If you can get an affordable price on red meats that are healthy, go for it. Best results are off of food. You can add supplements post workout for recovery if you can't get the red meats.

 

Remember he was asking about his dogs.

People who have a protein shake for breakfast tend to be fat.

 

Yes, it is fine to give a dog human grade whey and creatine. The one thing to watch out for with creatine is that you need to make sure the dog is getting enough water or they will start to cramp up. Other than that, it is harmless and one of the most researched supplements with proven results. I do have reservations about using it for the long haul since it replenishes ATP which is used for short bursts of energy. So, in weight pulling it can be an added benefit. But, for those long distance races, I'm not sure how beneficial it would be. Just remember, they are supplements. Meant to supplement the diet.

lol @ it's "safer" to get them from natural red meat. :rolleyes:

 

I think it is best to drink any protein drinks, and supplements right after a workout, and after you wake up. After sleeping you haven't had any protein for 6-7 hours and your body has been working all night.
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