What is it ??

I thought I had an Amstaff until some users on another forum told me this is not an amstaff.. but what is it ? please help me ..im pretty dissapointed ..
and a video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2JJIdiEG0c .thanks

 

No, that is not an Am Staff. No Am Staff would have a red nose. http://www.akc.org/breeds/american_staffordshire_terrier/index.cfm
Their noses must clearly be black. And the ears appear too long for being cropped. And it's a poor cut.
Hey, you know now to do your research on a breed before you buy one. Years ago I made the same mistake.
And when you do learn about the breed, find a breeder who cares more for his/her dogs than pocket,
and avoid all back yard breeders, and unpapered dogs. Look for the best in your own eyes, not what others tell you.
Everyone's gonna say their dog is the best, or this guy is the best...true breeders have the proof to back themselves up,
and stand behind their dogs.

If you want to find out what breed/breeds are in your dog, go online and buy a Dog Breed Test, but watch out for scams.
A good one will cost you between $55-75.

Good luck. If it's a good dog to you, don't be disappointed in the dog, since it's not the dog's fault.

 

mixxes have

 

you had better KNOW who you are dealing with if you are looking at the importance of papers. what in the world is a dog breed test that you can buy on line?

 

http://dogs.lovetoknow.com/wiki/Dog_DNA_Breed_Test Here's an example...

And you are correct, one had better know the importance of papers, but more so tell the pretenders from the contenders...

BTW, 6sN7s, tracky wanted to know if the dog was an AM Staff, and an AST never has a red nose. That nose looks red to me.
Didn't ask if it was a mix.

 

Those breed tests are a waste of money. They are not accurate at all.

 

Never tried 'em myself, was told of 'em. However, they are accurate on dog DNA, as many breeders use 'em for their DNA profiles of their dogs.
But, if people get their wanted breed from a respected and well known breeder, no need for a test.

 

Looks like a UKC APBT (Ergo, AmStaff) to me.

 

DNA is different. It tells you parentage not breed.

 

Actually AKC Amstaff's can have a red nose genetically it's possible doesn't happen too often but there are some older staff line's that produced red-nose red dogs. The APBT and the AKC Staff while both completely different breed's today are still originally genetically bred from the same cloth. What separates the two breed's today is function and purpose. You can still register an AKC staff with the UKC/ADBA as an APBT with the UKC stud books being closed the parent's would already have to be registered. I can't tell what color the dog's nose is it appears black in one pic. Either way without a pedigree you have no way to tell how the dog is bred. The AKC standard's for the Amstaff were written they way they are to keep the red nose dog's out of the AKC show rings (not encouraged) but it's not genetically impossible either for an Amstaff to have a red nose it just wouldn't place in the show rings. Just like with the blue dog's genetically it's impossible for those dog's to have black noses they have blue noses still the AKC states the Staff must have a black nose. But there are still blue staff dog's that are shown within the AKC.

There are certain bloodlines like the old York and some gaff that carry the red nose trait in the AKC staff

Gaff's Powder of oakhaven AKC STAFF - produced a few red noses

Gage is off Gaff's Limited Edition who goes back to Lil Sierra Percy Penny Packer produced some red noses.

There are also a lot of Ruffian and White Rock dogs in "red nose" Am. Staff pedigrees.

So yes it is genetically possible for Amstaff's to produce a red/rednose dog but it's frowned upon in the AKC. And any hardcore AKC Amstaff owner that breeds for the AKC show ring will typically not show a red nose Amstaff.

 

Good post, Tara. I was going to post something similar but you worded it much better anyway. Generally speaking though, Eagle, you'd be right.

 

Yeah if we are getting into AKC show politics than yes Eagle you would be right. A good AKC show breeder is not going to take a red nose staff into the show ring because of the standards the dog would have very little chance at placing. But that goes without saying they don't encourage a dog who is more than 80% white but I do know there is a GRCH white AKC staff. I can go and dig it up if you want the name of the dog. But generally speaking no your not going to see an red nose staff in the AKC show ring. Now I did want to add that this dog you posted could be a mix of Staff X APBT blood there is a lot of that going around. Where BYB's or just ignorant breeder's in general will take a Staff to a Working dog. I believe they call them "Pitterstaff's now" LOL. Not my cup of tea and any good breeder worth his lick should keep the two breed's separate as they are completely different breeds today with different purposes.

 

Yeah, I was just going by the "official" AKC standard. I'm a stout defender of the APBT, and as such, I've read many negative things from the AKC and AST breeders alike, such as, "The AST is in no way related to the notorious APBT." It seems to me the AKC and AST breeders, the "professionals, like to brag about the traits these dogs get from the very dogs they hate. On the other end, I'm dedicated to the OFRN strain now, and have heard many negative things from AKC, ect. I'm also against BYB's mixing the two, because if anyone gets bit, even by a pure AST, the "pitbull" gets blamed. (I'm against any BYB by the way, or peddler that cares about pockets more than dogs). The other thing that gets me is that the dogs of J.P. Colby, particularly Colby's Primo, were used as a standard of the AST. Those dogs were actual fighting dogs, and look how far they are from the original confirmation and history of the dogs. Hope this made my position more clear. And you made some striking points that I was unaware of. (Is it the AKC's dirty little secret? LOL.) Thanks for the input though.
BTW, I agree, they are completly differnt breeds today, with different purposes.

 

Thank you all for your posts ..so , in the end I really don't know what to say when someone asks me what it is . The previous owner sustains it's an Amstaff but I don't know what to say ..
One more problem.. What's with the ear crop ? I'm satisfied with it ..What's wrong with the ears? Yesterday I had the stitches out and wondering if i should help them with posts ??

 

Yeah Tracky unfortunately people can say anything but without a pedigree there is just no telling for sure what you own. If you don't have paper's than basically you own a mix of some sort. I would say a Staff x APBT mix. Here again I am only guessing myself your pup is still young so 3 years from now it may look like something else if you catch my drift. As for the ears the crop is a little longer than the average crop for these breeds Staff/APBT. You would typically see a crop like that on a dobie. I am not a fan of cropped ears just because I prefer the natural ears. But if this dog was shown in UKC/AKC than the dog would fit in because most of the UKC/AKC dog's ear's are cropped for show purposes. With the ADBA you don't see as many dog's shown with cropped ear's and some judges are against seeing bulldogs dog's with cropped ears which makes it harder for those dog's to place when being shown under those particular judges. One of my friends has an excellent video up about taping and posting the ear's after a crop you might want to take a look at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euCOQ8qJn3w&feature=channel_video_title

 

AKC? This kid is kidding me right? XD

 

Most Amstaffs have the exact same DNA as Apbt's, because the breed started with Apbt's bred for conformation only. That said, there offcourse have been cases especially in the earlier stages of the Amstaff where they would mix them with other breeds to bulk ehm up and still pas ehm off as 100% Amstaff. Don't worry about AKC standards, since that's the most pretentious and hypocrite KC when it comes to pitbull-type dogs. Don't forget their Amstaff standard was made up by people also, it didn't just drop out of the sky and said an Amstaff should be this and that.

I think your dog looks exactly like an Amstaff, however there is no way of knowing without a ped. He definately is a pitbull-type dog though. His nose does look a bit long and snipey, maybe you could post some pics of his face from the side and front so I can see better.

 

My lady's dog had no need to use posts, as they should stand on their own. Yeah I only meant they are normally shorter. Also, lasers are commonly used, and I saw no scabs on the ears of my lady's dog when they were done. Maybe it was the pic angle I was looking at, but the cut looked rough to me. BTW, I no longer use cropping on my own dogs. It's everyones own choice though.

DutchGame, I dislike the AKC, but here in the US, that's what the AST standards are. BTW, I ain't no kid.