Went to see Mr.Ramsey...

So I went out to Visit mr Ramsey to pick up a Knife he made me, and believe it or not we ended up talking bout dogs. Lol.
After a while we got into talking about dogs that could produce, and he told me something I'd never heard before he said that good males produce good females, and vice versa. What do yall think, I mean hes more experienced than any of us when it comes to dogs, but whats yalls take on this theory?

 

I take into acount what anyone with his experiance and sucsess has to say about breeding these dogs.

 

it may be the case in the line of dogs he bred but i wouldnt rely on the theory as a whole.

 

Hes fed many lines of dogs, he had dogs off Dibo dogs off Bullyson Im pretty sure he was just saying it in general. Im definately going to pay more attn to this now.

 

In that case its not true, maybe certain dogs will throw better females or better males but come on ! There is no reality in males throwing better females and females throwing better males. Its all on the dog and the breeding.

 

Any of you DOGMEN that has been breeding this dogs for 20+ years got anything to say about this ?

 

cant think of any rational reason why this would be true but with that said im not gonna say it isn't. If it was it would make choosing what to keep from a litter a whole lot easier tho

 

Sounds more like a case of either observing one particular bloodline, or simply confusing correlation and causation. Just because something happens appears to be caused be something else does not make it so. Basically he could have had a set of experiences where his hot bitches had litters with good males and his hot males had litters with good females, but in reality the good males or females were probably not good because their opposite sex parent was also good. It could be a ton of other factors that caused the pattern that just don't seem as obvious so he is not thinking of them.

 

Its hard to tell because most of us are trying to breed the best males to the best females, im going to start checking peds though to see if when good dogs were bred to decent dogs if one sex tended to throw the opposite sex better. Also though it may not seem initially rational does not automatically disprove the theory of a man as respected among our community as him.

 

theirs more than a grain of truth to what he told you, ........horse breeders are obsessed with dam lines.....x and y chromosomes and inheritance........

 

I've read before, the male has better % of throwing his own traits in his female offspring and the other way around.

 

The plain-boiled fact is that no one can ascertain such things without knowing which genes are dominant in the sire, and which genes are dominant in the dam. It wouldn't be so bad if that's all there was to it, but it isn't. There's also the factor of "combining ability." Combining ability, for those that are unaware, is the ability of genes from both parents to "intertwine" if you will, to create a more well-rounded offspring than that of either parent.

Case in point in game dogs:

Parent "A" is known for exceptionally hard mouth within his line as well as with him in general.

Parent "B" is known for stamina/endurance. She can "go all day".

In theory, this could be a great pairing as both parent's strengths compliment the other's. However, we need to know if either one breeds true for these traits, or if they just "show up" fairly often. Without knowing that, we can't possibly know anything about their combining ability.

And THAT'S why it's a virtual crap shoot----not enough information is known about the genetics of either parent to be able to predict the outcome of ANY of the progeny.

Breeding will never be a fool-proof science, but if we know enough about the genetic make-up, we can be surprisingly accurate concerning the outcome of a breeding between two parents.

So to the original question.......unless it can be proven with factual evidence---not circumstantial evidence--- then it's just theories.

 

An Old Man told me a long time ago... "It takes two halves to make a whole".

 

Now that i think about it it kinda makes since because when we breed our good male we got a lot of good females from the 2 litters we got of him.

 

I have been told by gentlemen who GOT OUT OF DOGS 20+ years ago that this is true, but more importantly, i have seen it first hand.


hi tigerlines, good to see you back

 

unless it can be proven with factual evidence---not circumstantial evidence--- then it's just theories


What does it become after it is "proven"?

 

it doesn't take a dogman and breeder of dogs for 20+ years to know that this isn't true 100% of the time and are not words to live by or start a breeding program on

 

honeynunches best offspring were male i think.

 

^^^^^ this is right on no matter male or female

 

not completly as no breeding is and wouldnt say its a rule either but it does happen no doubt