Shipping a Pit from Europe question?

Hi guys, i have the friend over in the uk who wants me to contact a kennel i know to ship over a apbt. Thing is the UK has the same stupid BSL ban over there, the kennel i know has no problem keeping the dog for 6 months and getting the blood samples/vaccine sorted aswell as micro chipping. It will travel via the PETS scheme, so no quarantine. But he thinks it will get through, i dont think it will... I'm pretty sure the vet at the airport/customs will check the paperwork to match the dog which should be okay as the paperwork will say SBT Cross Boxer. So no trace of pit!
But what do you lot think..

 

lol, I have the same problem with filas as they are banned in other countries as well. I say that they are lab X rhodesian pups used for hunting. I dont care who the vet is there is no chance in hell he could know for a fact what it is. dont give it another thought. let me ask one question though...why 6 months?

 

For dogs to enter into the UK or Ireland, from a country with rabies, they have to be tested 6months after a rabies vac to make sure there is no rabies present.

The BBC shipped in an APBT from Dunkel kennels for a documentary where they messed with the Farmers Boys and Dunkel, I think they shipped Nipper in through Ireland tho (where they aren't illegal thank fook) and then brought him up through Northern Ireland (they're banned up there tho) and then the ferry over to Scotland, there's no restrictions on travelling between IRL and UK on any dog, well except Pits, Dogos, Filas, and Tosas, because they're all BANNED... so your friend could get his dog taken off him on the street if he was found out...

 

Dont waste your time or money , the vet can stop the dog from entering if he thinks the dog is apbt type , and as this will not be a pup , then unless it looks like one of those birddog type pitbulls , all scrawy and long faced , then i would not waste my time.The game in the uk died years ago , so if you want a pit , then just buy one of the many still around in the uk , why bother with all the hassle.

 

He Don't want a game pit, just a pure ped. Ones in uk are very hard to get a ped, normally you get some cross mastiff they look way to big. Just wandered of this plan could work?

 

Where do you ship the dogs, where and from what country? Does it always work as I have to send a blood sample before I send it to show the rabies vaccine has taken effect, by which time the dog would be 7/8 months!

 

So your saying he could send it to ireland, and he could then get a ferry bk to Scotland and drive bk to uk?
Are there any checks on the ferry or crossing from Scotland to uk?

 

They have to have a FAVN rabies titer done.


REQUIREMENTS FOR DOGS FROM THE U.S. OR CANADA TO THE U.K.

Pets must qualify and meet all of the rules and regulations listed below to be considered for the Pet Travel Scheme. If your dog does not qualify for any reason (including a faulty or unreadable microchip), he or she will be required to enter quarantine with a petition to obtain early release.

Rules and Regulations, And How to Prepare Your Dog

1. Qualify: Dogs must first qualify for the Pet Travel Scheme. Pets must come from a qualifying country, like the U.S. or Canada, and cannot have been outside qualifying countries during the six months before your dog enters the UK.

2. Microchip (At Least 6 Months or more before traveling): Dogs must have a microchip inserted underneath their skin by a vet. The microchip must be inserted BEFORE the required rabies vaccine. Have your vet test the microchip before and after it is placed in your dog, and each time your dog visits the vet. Microchips given in the U.S. and Canada typically do not meet ISO Standards. The microchip needs to use ISO Standards in order to be read by the U.K. microchip readers. Therefore, you should bring your own microchip reader with you. This is especially important if traveling to the U.K. first, then other European countries, and then back into the U.K. If your dog's microchip cannot be read, your dog will most likely have to go into U.K. quarantine. Be sure to bring all original microchip paperwork with you from the vet.

3. Rabies Vaccination (At Least 6 Months or more before traveling): Dogs must be at least 3 months old to receive a rabies vaccine. The vaccine must be done AFTER the microchip has been placed in your dog. Your vet is responsible for recording the following information on your dog's rabies vaccine record: microchip number, dog's date of birth/age (if known), date of vaccination, vaccine product name, vaccine batch number, and date by which the booster must be given (usually 1 to 3 years from current shot). Bring the information with you.

4. Blood Test (At Least 6 Months or more before traveling): AFTER your dog has received the microchip and the rabies vaccine, you must have your dog's blood checked to show that the rabies neutralizing antibody titer is equal to or greater than 0.5 IU/ml. The blood test must be done in the U.S. or Canada. Your vet MUST send the blood sample to a lab that is recognized by the U.K. Pet Travel Scheme. Look at the PETS website below for details and for finding a recognized lab. Your vet must give you paperwork with the following information: a record or paperwork stating the date that the blood sample was taken, your dog's microchip number, and a copy of the blood test result with the microchip number clearly stated. If your dog fails the blood test, another vaccination, blood test and 6 month rule will probably be required. You will need to carry the blood test results with you.

5. Official PETS Certification (6 months or more AFTER your dog passed the blood test, before traveling): If your dog passed the blood test, a PETS certificate will be issued ONLY when 6 months or more has passed since the blood test was given and passed. This is called the "6 Month Rule" which is in place just in case a dog became infected with rabies before the rabies vaccine. Supposedly a dog infected with rabies would show clinical signs of rabies within 6 months. The certificate MUST be obtained from a vet that has been authorized the by U.S. or Canada government to issue such certificates. Take your dog, the vaccination record, and blood test result when going to get the certificate. Ask your vet if they are authorized to issue this certificate or get a recommendation for a vet that is authorized. The certificate must show "Valid from" and "Valid until" dates. Your dog can only enter the U.K. between those two dates. The "Valid from" date will be 6 months from the date that your dog's blood was tested. Ask your vet for a renewal certificate each time your dog is given a booster shot. The booster shot must be given by the "Valid until" date. Then your renewal certificate is valid as soon as it is issued.

6. Tick and Tapeworm Treatment and Certification (24 to 48 hours BEFORE your dog gets on the plane): Your dog is required to be treated for parasites between 24 and 48 hours BEFORE your dog is checked at a US or Canada airport leaving for the U.K. An official certificate for parasite treatment is required. A vet must give the tick and tapeworm treatment. Pet owners are not allowed to give the treatment themselves. Vets are required to use a parasite treatment that includes the product "praziquantel" for tapeworms, along with a product licensed for use against ticks and the product must have a marketing organization within the United States and Canada. Tick collars are not acceptable. The certificate must be official and not a private veterinary certificate or letterhead to show that it has been done. The official certificate is one issued for the purposes of PETS by the US or Canada government. It will have the name of the government department at the top. The official certificate must show your dog's microchip number, the date AND time of treatment, and the products used. The vet must also sign, stamp and date the certificate. If using a pet transport company, make sure they arrange for your dog's PETS certificate and tick and tapeworm certificate to accompany your pet (you should also have copies). The parasite treatment is required every time your dog enters the U.K.

Please note: If your dog failed the PETS requirements only because of the tick and tapeworm requirements not being met, it might be possible to have your dog treated in the U.K. quarantine and then released after 24 hours of the required treatment. If your dog arrives at Heathrow Airport, the treatment can be done at the airport. If you fly into any other airport, your dog will need to go into quarantine for treatment. If your dog is entered into quarantine, your will need to get approval for your dog's early release.

7. Bring All Documents With You: You must bring all documents and certifications with you. This includes microchip paperwork (and a microchip reader), rabies vaccine information, blood test paperwork and results, an official PETS Certificate, and an official Tick and Tapeworm Certificate.

8. Additional Requirements: You will need to use an approved route and air carrier for entry into the U.K., have an official seal on your dog's carrier or container, a declaration of residence (PETS 3 Form), and Customs paperwork. Please continue reading below for details about these additional requirements for bringing a dog from the U.S. or Canada into the U.K. or call the PETS Help-line listed below.


But that is not your issue.

Pets Are Checked Upon Arrival Into the U.K.

Dogs are checked at the airport when they arrive in England. If any of these checks fail, your dog will need to be re-exported or go into quarantine. The following will be checked.

- Your dog's microchip will be scanned and verified
- The official PETS Certificate will be verified
- The official Tick and Tapeworm Certificate will be verified
- You are required to provide the top copy of the completed PETS 3 Form (declaration of residence-see above).
- The seal on your dog's container or carrier should still be sealed and intact.

 

They will be checked so there is always a chance that they will not pass and then what? A banned breed it will probably be euth'd. A chance you take. IMO it is a disservice to the dog.

Entering Into the U.K. from Another European Country Like France

Dogs coming from France into the U.K. for the first time, must go through requirements similar to those arriving from the U.S. or Canada to the U.K. There are however some differences, so please contact the PETS Help-line for details.

For Help or Additional Information

Contact Defra (official Pet Travel Scheme organization) directly using the following information.

PETS Help-line: +011 44 870 241 1710 (Monday to Friday - 8.30am to 5pm UK time).
If you cannot get through on the above number, please leave a message on the voice mail.

Official PETS Website: Defra, UK - Wildlife and pets - Pets and horses - Travelling with pets

E-mail: pets.helpline@defra.gsi.gov.uk
Please include your address and telephone number

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I agree. Why risk the dog?

It's a big, risky hassle.

Dreamer

 

hmmm what if the dog went as baggage instead of cargo? you would have to be on the plane as well and the dog would still need a rabies vaccine but (maybe not as long as he is under 3mths). in the US this will work as the dog doesnt go through the stringent codes for cargo but as baggage the customs guys just look for rabies if over 3 mths and if not you get a quarantine paperwork...means you quarantine the dog in the house.

 

The main issue is all pets are inspected. And if the agent thinks it is a APBT then the dog will not be allowed in. That is a risk they take.


There is transport laws. It does not matter if the dog is cargo or baggage.

Link to laws in the UK. Great site breaks it down for import/export to UK

http://www.defra.gov.uk/wildlife-pets/pets/travel/index.htm

Dogs, cats and ferrets

The UK does not permit the import of dogs, cats and ferrets that have not been vaccinated against rabies. Once they have reached the minimum age for vaccination (as stated on the vaccine manufacturer's datasheet) they must be prepared in accordance with all the requirements explained on this website, taking account of the required order of preparation.

Now it does say

(3) No preparation or documentation is necessary for the movement of pets directly between the UK and the Republic of Ireland.

Link to Ireland laws regarding pet import/export
http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/pets/

 

well if he dont want a game pit , then just tell him to buy a pit and stop worrying about it , and if he`s worried about a ped , maybe he shouuldnt bother , i mean what does he want the ped for , let me guess to sell puppies inn the future to idiots who think they have a real ancestor of some real gamedogs , do me a favour tell him or is it you ? Dont be part of the problem , be the solution, you want to be a dogman , move country , the uk is not the place to be if you want to keep pitbulls ,got it.

 

To be honest, selling puppies is what back yard breeders do in this country and the mix of bulldog x pit x mastiffs you get mean u end up with a funny looking pit or a crippled one later on! So no it's not very selling. It's just because he wants a ped, he used to live in California and had to give it up before he immigrated to uk. No bullshittt just plain and simple!

 

What would you like his name, telephone number and address? What are you a fed?!!! Get the hell outta here!!

 

What if he sent it to Ireland as pits are legal there, picked it up from the (customs area you pick them up from). Got on a ferry back to Scotland with it, or are their checks on the ferry?? The dog should have it's pets passport then drive from Scotland bk to uk? Would that work

 

Watch Free Documentaries Online - Dog-Fighting Undercover by BBC, Andy Bell
Have a watch, every customs officer in the UK has. Not worth the hassle in my opinion. All the best.

 

Plenty of dog's about with pedigree's avaliable, without the need to import one and it's associated headache's.

If he just want's a pet why don't he just go to battersea or the dog's trust and get one for free? If he's from California and owned one before he should know the difference between pure and mongrel.

 

Same rules apply in Ireland the dog must be microchiped pet passported and must have had his/her rabbies jab 6 months prior to travelling, if all these requirements are not met the dog will be kept in quarantine for 6 months(at ownere expence) treated with all the right jabs and then relesed to the owner.