Amstaff or pitbull?

I'm confused, is'nt a pit bull thats lines have been constintently bred for any trait other then gameness first considered an Amstaff? If this is true then I totally agree. I am to the understanding that true American pit bull terriers are pit bulls that are bred for gameness first along with the original standard physically and mentally. For some reason when I said someones pitbull is an amstaff because it weights 100lbs people said that does'nt mean it's an amstaff, I seriously doubt that a dog that big has been bred to standard. An amstaff can be any size or color, it's the breedings that make the dog what it is. Why was it's parents bred? and their parents? and the grandparents? and so on. Once certain traits that are against the standard have been bred for so long you create another breed of dog, so if it's not an amstaff then what else can it be called? Someone please clear this up so that people can stop arguing about this. I'm sure that an amstaff can still be game but that would'nt be a common thing being that the original game genes have been watered down, so what if it's game it's still another breed of dog, I still like them but atleast even I can admit that these dogs are'nt American pit bull terriers.


I don't even know why people even argue about this, every breed of dog has its' standard and if this is broken with enough generations then it becomes something else, that's the whole point of pedigrees and having names for the different breeds of dogs around the world. Can someone please clear this up for everyone because now even i'm confused. Then on the other side there are people who think just because a pit is blue that it's an amstaff, ????? It seems that their are ignorant people on both sides so lets get some responses from the real dogman, i'm trying to learn facts not opinions. Thanks
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Dude, save yourself a lot of time and grief and use the "search" tool. We have this topic on here ironically enough named the same thing everyday...theres like a novels worth of threads on the topic here about it already...

 

Actually I read threads everyday and just see opinions and contradictions. Many people don't seem to agree with anything so that's why I just wanted to know which is true and which is'nt. Then people say Adba can't be trusted, so I just get confused since i'm trying to learn facts, too many opinions. Can anyone atleast let me know if my understanding I stated above is correct? That will help

 

If its not game bred its a Staff period.

If its Blue its a Staff or Mastiff mix of some sort
with the exception of very few game bred blue dogs history has begotten us.

Any and all of these popular new wave 5000$ Blue Pits are cross bred garbage, more Staff or Mastiff than APBT.

 

simply put.. a true APBT is not bred for color, size, looks, $$$ but for what lies within..looks arent important.. the go is

 

I know we should cross post all our comments from the same question across the hall....so nobody misses anything..

 

Blues not a newbie yet i sense individuals talking to him as if he were..

 

Dont mind me im just the annoying Huerto down the street...

 

Yeah it's always said to me over and over that blue means its an amstaff, so this color pigmentation has to do with game huh? Seems like some people just want me to believe some untrue information, what do you think Jeff?

 

Thanks, i'll check it out right now, so is my original statement true or not?

 

It seems that you keep missing the point...
IT ALL DEPENDS ON WHY THE DOG WAS BRED
since the overwhelmingly majority of blue kennels breed for looks and not gameness how can the majority of blue dogs be game

 

The way they are bred I feel like very few are truely gamebred but that doesnt mean all.Hell I dont allow blues on my site.Beacuase its a "gamedog" site and i feel blues "in general" Do not fit into that catagory.

 

True but if you read my original post for this thread you would see that I actually agree with you. My problem is the misconceptions or generaliztions made by both sides. I agree with what is said here, just look at what I said, one problem I have though is how a blue pit from game lines is rare. The only reason I say that is because maybe it's just where I live or something but I know of many blue pits here that are 1 of very few in their family that came out blue and that are to standard physically and mentally. My first pit happens to be an example, I posted pics of him today that will be in my gallery, some are already in another thread I have in the conformation forum. He was the only one in his family blue, everyone else was red and a couple brindles, all siblings, parents, grandparents, and more of his family I saw in the breeders photo album. He even sold him to me cheaper than all the rest because he was grey. Full grown at chain weight this week he is an even 50lbs and has a perfect 1/3 height to weight ratio. I am taking him to ADBA conformation shows within a month or so and expect him to do well. Nevermind my dog I know of plenty others here with similar backgrounds. How do you explain this? How rare is this?

I think to determine a dogs gameness or drive by it's color is as ignorant as 100lb pit bull breeders who call their dogs APBT. You see its discrimination on both sides. I can show anyone blue pits that are to standard and that are game, not 1 but many. I agree with there not being alot but blues should'nt be treated differently, not unless the particular dog is'nt to standard, that's as bad as breed banning.

 

Technically a APBT bred for anything other than gameness isnt a staff. TECHNICALLY. However, for all sakes and purposes, it is a staff that cant be registered as one. The Amstaff was bred for people who wanted to breed APBT's for things other than gameness...the way I see it, if you are breeding APBT stock for anything other than gameness its a staff. Its the exact same thing people did to make the staffs- only 100 years too late.

 

why ya left us blue?

 

If your planning on proving your blue doggy in a show ring why are you so bent on convincing us theres ones just like him that are game? If you aint going to prove hes game while being blue why worry yourself about it? Also saying a dog isnt game because of its color is too broad of a statement, nobody has said that about any color except blue dogs, and from the looks of most of their papers or lineage saying it before testing for it is pretty safe. I dont know where your from but all these game blue dogs your talking about havent made it out this way yet...I still never seen one in person. Id like to though because I bet you your lunch money it wasnt from Blue dog parents, it would be a game bred dog with a genetic color flaw making it more grey like your dog...like all the other Game Blue dogs.....Im sure all the ones you said you seen that are game werent proven its just an opinion...game blue dogs are rare in my opinion...

 

I agree................

 

My first dog happened to be blue, that's it. I do admire all the traits that this breed has that's why I have them, not just blue, any color. I am not about proving anything, I just am not narrow minded like some people. Color has nothing to do with game, game is a mental trait genetically while a grey coat is physical, therefore looking down on a blue pit because of what some other breeders do is wrong period. I'm not saying all the blues are game but i've seen so many pits that are staffs of other colors other than blue it makes me sick. The first thing someone will say when they see a blue pit that happens to look nice is that they are not game, regardless if they happened to come out like that and are to standard or not. When someone sees a pit of another color that looks nice and to standard they say "Nice looking dog there man!!! You don't see anything wrong with this?

Your right about that all the ones i've seen are'nt proven game, but there are some I know of including mine that fits the standard and are no different than these dogs here on this site, not 100lb blue dogs, blue pits that fit the standard physically and mentally. I take it personally that some of the same people that are against breed discrimination would look down upon a dog for its color when in fact game has nothing to do with anything but the individual dog with its past family breedings determining the constistancy of the # of turn outs. Yes your used to seeing blues being fat and lazy, but my friend don't think they all are, and don't under estimate a dog by something as little as a coat color, just because of an image that is being made from a current fad or because that's what your used to. You think i'm happy to hear this kind of discrimination when I have a dog to standard that I personally seen its family and siblings upon purchase at 6 weeks of age, whom none were blue. Came from an old guy with nice dogs, Old family red and snooty blood is what he's been breeding, and this dog is a great dog and still young so when he comes home with accomplishments of a working dog tell me all this again.

 

so when he comes home with accomplishments of a working dog tell me all this again.

How is he going to get accomplishments of a working dog in a show ring? Im confused about that part. Also I think you've let this blue thing go to your head a little too much. Why are you so concerned with pointing out there is some game blue dogs, yes there indeed has been and will be, but dont go giving credit where it isnt due, its not discrimination calling every blue dog I see a cur...most are... and it is in my head from the time I see one a Staff or mixed Mastiff cur until I see that dog where I see every other game dog...and you know where that is...show rings and everything else need not apply...I dont know what point your trying to drive home but a blue dog aint going to get you there...finding a proven game blue dog is like trying to find a British guy with good teeth...

 

Austin Powers lol lol