Purpose breeding

Is there such a thing? What I mean by that is, some say that, this breeding will produce brood stock or that another breeding will produce performers etc. etc. Shouldn't a single breeding be geared toward the both? I think when a breeding takes place, it should maintain certain traits aswell as incorperate things that will extend the gene pool. When I say extend the gene pool, its just my language for an out. I think there are people breeding to preserve lines but arn't thinking about traits. Any thoughts on my thoughts?

 

I totally agree with you Mac, I believe if one is so inspired to put to charges together it should be at the very least to preserve a certain trait or traits, or to possibly produce something better than what they have in front of them. Just my 2 cents!

 

i agree with you for the most part. when you are working with crosses sometimes you want to make breedings to keep blood from the crosses incase u need it later and ur stock was gettin old. for example i am 1/4 of my cross is redboy. ill take my rb bitch to ch bounds hustler if i get the chance. ill still have similar rb blood but can widen the gene pool if i ever need whatever it is that the rb brought to my line JMO

 

usually when someone says this breeding will produce brood stock, that means that the blood is already too tight and should be outcrossed in the next generation. what they are also telling you is that something is already starting to lag in the dogs so it wont be good for performance meaning that adding it back in the next generation should be your next step. to me there is alot of reading between the lines when someone say brood stock only.
usually a performance breeding is an outcross or a best to best type of breeding

 

It depends on who is breeding the brood stock. One may breed his aging ch to one of the champ's daughters to preserve the old ch's blood for another generation. Another less honorable sort may breed close for one, two and even three gens just to sell paper.

 

I understand what is being said, but to say a breeding is for this and another is for that, don't you think it takes away from what the breed is? If you were breeding to preserve traits and not a line or name attached to a dog, then the blood wouldn't matter, the traits would right? Don't get me wrong, you can preserve a line, but in order to do that, you need to know exactly what traits your looking for. To me, a producer should be able to produce no matter what line of dogs he/she is bred to.

 

Agree 100%

 

but if you continuous;y out cross you will loose the traits of the family you are trying to preserve. i believe out crosses should be used sparingly and to get individuals that you can later line breed and tighten back up on your original stock

 

Breed for performance. If u get one that's an ace and is throwing hot ones then tighten up on him but to bred for pure what ever is useless jmo

 

I think one way people look at "brood stock" is that it's an animal that is so heavily bred on a "said dog" that it has little chances of turning out (but it may) due to something negative that will surly surface. But the same dog, having so much genetic potential because of the amount of the "said dog" in it's genetic make up , will probably be a good producer. The animal is more valuable as a producer to them.

Another way people look at " brood stock " is what someone already said. Breeding an old stud or brood bitch that is the last of a said blood line just with the sole purpose of using it to continue the line and never intending on looking at it.. If the genes are there, even though the animal is untouched it still has a good chance of producing and keeping the line going.

Even though in both of these methods "match dogs" could very well be produced and probably are many times, it is not the goal of the breeding.

Then there are peddlers who breed papers only and put labels like "brood stock" in there ad to sell puppies.

 

Wow, this thread is almost 2 years old, thanks HBK and Slim for rising the dead. The brood question came cause people look at a ped and say, this will be brood stock, based upon how tight a dog is bred based on one dog in said pedigree. Triple J posted in a thread were he knew of a dog that was a 4 way cross, and she was bred to 4 different males and produced good dogs in every litter. Nothing in these dogs are certain, but like you slim, I would rather take my chances on dogs I know work, over dogs that might. A tight bred dog has to be bred for the right reasons, anybody inbreeding just cause a ped or names in a ped are screwing up dogs.

 

I found when i bred tight for too long the dogs were great ,but started to die 7-8 years They were performers and on fire but short lived.. so to out breed would be to try and figure out a way to correct that ,They would make great.. brood stock.. but if you inbreed again you may end up with dogs living 3-5 years ...In the short you got what you want, but for the future of the dogs.. You need to out breed..Find somethin reasonbly game that lives.. 12-16 years ..And hope

 

I think the term "Proven Cross" plays a part in this discussion, some try to preserve a couple of lines clean (no crosses) and will cross them only to each other for the hybrid vigor of the 50/50 cross. The pups off the cross would be better than both lines alone but both lines were needed to produce the pups, therefore "Bred to Produce".

NGK

 

Thats the best way I have ever herd it put. that is the bullseye!

 

Thanks TripleJ,

My father was the king of the battlecross, as soon as a dog won it's second or third it was for sale on the spot because he knew the formula for success. Alot of fellas would buy and breed those dogs and could never figure out why the offspring would be less than the sire and dam, ol pappy would simply say "they wern't bred to produce".

NGK

 

Keeping a inbred or tight line bred family of dogs, one will be always breeding for potential brood stock.
through the best performers.
Right?

 

Alot of times what people forget to think about is the future of their dogs, they surely think that the line will last forever and in doing so are fooling themselves. The educated breeders are always looking for an improvement in their line even when the line is bred as a tight family. When they notice the blood is getting stale on their own yard is when they would go back to the foundation of their own dogs for a breeding to an old blooded dog of the same lineage or do a cousin cross and then take the offspring back to their own best performers to clean the genetics up all over again and obtain the traits they desire. I think this is the way you maintain a line while still producing working dogs as well as solidifying the lines ability to produce for the future.

NGK