Mayfield Dogs - part II (oh no...)

Fuckin mayfeild cult Preme lol

 

See I would like to see the mayfield family go back to being all black. With very lil out, and i feel the only way to get that is to breed to only dogs out off mayfield blood or tudor blood and the best and only way to do that is to breed to the best of the alligator family.

 

In the process of that all ready.. VVS KENNELS UGA and check offspring.. Lol... Uga is carrying some of the best mayfield/Nigger genes in him then i crossed him into a buckskin alligator/mayfield bitch and threw all black pups(5 ). When i look at these pups its like looking at Nigger or Alligator all over, shiny black dogs with long hangers as we speak... I could go on and on about this litter..

 

She had no buckskins/reds/ or fawns, just black... And for that i know the genes are being pulled back up... And i wanna keep em close to that if i can.

 

to be honest with my experience with my mayfield dogs i liked the red/red throwbacks.... i had augustos dogs that were red and one female that was buckskin true blue gene bitch. augustos was the avenue i took to get "those black dogs" like i stated before i wasn't able to get the breedings i needed within the pure stuff to do what i planned but i bred my disco dog to 3 sundance/butkus females and about half came black, the other half we're brindle........ so what does that mean? 2 of those dogs grew up to be bred back to the tonka side and we got ALL red/red again.... IF COLOR IS ANY INDICATION TO GENETIC SUPERIORITY WITHIN A FAMILY then i think i fall into "majority rules" line of thinking.... color i think shouldn't be a basis..... if the majority of my good ones are a certain color then i wouldnt stray that far from it... do i make sense or am i wrong?

 

think of this If you and every one that thinks color dont matter, tell me this the best dogs from the mayfield family of dogs were what color?
so if you are breeding in on a mayfields family of dogs , and the best of that family then your dogs should show that family. you say you have a pure nigger dog, and the dog is red. Ok when nigger had dogs off him like alligator and his siblings,400, so on all black dogs. and you talk about that augustos dog and i had him , that dog had AB in him.

 

so your IKE??? i would think you would want to see how all your dogs did?.... IKE owned that dog..... i saw that with my own eyes......and that dog didnt have AB in him..... it was one of the nicest ones.... over bred to bad bitches at first.... but his last breedings were done right..... mayfield told me with his words under the shade tree to get IKE dogs... your dogs gilligan? i guess???... but i hear the underground calling.... see you guys in a few more years again

 

it outa go with it since it off of PIT general indian sonny stole him and Midnight looks like pit generals twin!

 

There yall go again breeding fucking papers instead of DOGS...lmao

 

U say every one is breeding on paper, shit the dig game started her were we run u talk about ur dog and I have never heard of one of them. And if I am right u got ur dogs from the USA.

 

Gillagan I am referring to this post in my comment.

What I am saying is that IF the cross works out well it won't be because it's off pit general and sonny stole him...bla, bla, bla.
IF a cross works well it is usually because the dogs involved are good producers and has nothing to do with what names are listed on some pedigree and who stole what dog.

If you are going by how some dog should cross with some other based on their pedigrees and not their performance or their family's RECENT performance history in similar crosses then YOU are breeding papers. I believe this to be the case with you. I don't believe you ever saw any of those dogs you bought perform before you bought them. This is why I make that comment and it is directed at you not everyone.

One more thing just for the sake of history. The game didn't start there, sorry. The breed also didn't start there. But it was there that the game and the breed developed into the present day bulldog and the best dogs and the toughest competition is still coming from there but not only from there anymore. What that has to do with what I said is a mystery to me though.

And when did I talk about my dog??? (what dog? we have over 25, any one in specific?)

 

Well gringo unlike u I know dogs and I have had good dogs I have no beef with u on a chat board no one wins here. So u say what u want and I can tell u we will see some day soon how has a better understanding of this breed

 

I think it's incredible that you can tell the quality of a dog just by looking at a picture and ped of it. If you can do that then you certainly know more about dogs than I do, a lot more. I can't even tell if the dogs I bred are any good until I see it with my own eyes, it sure would save a lot of time, money and frustration if I had the ability you have. But I don't so I have to see each one with my own eyes and we determine it's value by it's performance and not by some secret miracle formula like you do. But as you said before, you know dogs and I don't.

I really do hope you can show me that I am wrong. I am aching for someone to show me I am wrong. I have been asking someone to show me I am wrong for.... over 10 years!

Your last statement sound very familiar to me... "some day you will see" type thing. After thinking a bit about it I remembered where I had heard that saying before..... It was ME! I used to say that too!!!! oh wait, not only me, there were a number of us saying that at one time and we were ALL sure we could get that family to be competitive again.
And look at us now... I am feeding some Eli and crosses with relative success, some others are feeding Red Boy, Bolio.... in fact anything that isn't Mayfield. Do you really think that all of us spent so much money and time and effort thinking we'd fail?
But hey, you know dogs and we don't.

So Gillagan I hope that in 2-3 years I am hearing about your dogs, I would like nothing better. And if you manage to bring this family back to a competitive state then I will be the very first to admit publicly that I am wrong and I will apologize to you and I will even do all I can to buy a dog from you just so I can see it for myself.
So we'll take this up again in a couple of years and I hope I have to suck in my ego and tell everyone what a fool I was.

 

Is this the same Gringo from Don's old chat?

 

2 to 3 years that a very short time.. a beggining of one dog's career . maybe 12 years

 

Hello Bozo, yes it's the same ol' me with a few more years and a few less hairs (if that's possible lol). Who are you? I remember most everyone in there, shoot me a pm and let me know what nick you used so I can remember who you are.

Blackpoison if it takes you 12 years to get one or two good dogs then you are definately feeding the wrong dogs. Schooling starts between 12-18 months and carreer starts around 24-30 months of age on average. 2-3 years is more than enough time, if it's not then those dogs shouldn't even be on a gamedog site. As was stated, they are breeding the very best of the best, purest of the pure. There HAS to be at least an ace or two in the very first litter wouldn't you think?

And now come the surprises and the excuses lol.

 

hey you guys are experienced... i was just comparing it to hunting dog. didnt thiunk u could have a line in 3 years lol i dont have apbt.. i have small terriers. so i wasnt talking about having a good dog.. i was talking about a line or family. a dog from the shelter could turn out a good dog..

 

since you said " And if you manage to bring this family back to a competitive state then I will be the very first to admit publicly that I am wrong " , did you mean he could bring back a family also in 3 years/ one generation/one breeding. thought it would take generations to bring back a family that as some said here not like it used to be.

 

No it's not likely that someone will have derived their own family in only 3 years. But that is not what is asked here, the line/family is already in existence so there would be no need to or even a possibility of making a new line or family out of it and keep it pure.

You have to take into consideration that these are supposedly "the most proven and most pure family of dogs in existence". And from that whole family, these particular dogs are the best of the best of the best.

So to bring that family back into a competitive state, given the extremely high quality of the dogs in question, should mean that you are going to get at least a couple of competitive dogs in even you first litter. Well all I am saying is that I hope to hear of those dogs someday is all. They don't even have to win, only be competitive is all.

Also you should consider in regards to your hunting dogs how many generations can you breed without even checking to see if they can still hunt and still produce good hunting dogs.

Anyway, inspite of what you may think I really do want those dogs to do good and to prove themselves. I think that would be great.

 

do u think if someone got one dog from that family.. and out of bad luck tat dog was the at most curr apbt u could own.. and the man owned it didnt check it and than he kept breeding it to his bitches and back to the daughter and kept inbreeding for 6 generation.. any throw back now is gonna be to that dog even to parents its to that dog.. done deal.. line is fucked or is there still a chance.

sorry its offtopic