fake peds

hasnt emailed me back yet m8 but did say not how i had it bred
it was 20 or more year,s ago now

 

that is facts...but as you said it yourself the good one makes the pedigree
Ireland back in the ninties they send over any white staff and sell it as Psycho bred..but if you went over there and did your thing and used comen sense you get what you wanted..working homes to working homes always got prove in the box...same with all the other offspring from dogs like Nikki, Badger, Hoss,...etc..
Once upon a time rolling day one stopped in 15 minutes..3 months later sold to Sweden stated he was tested to the bone...fake pedigree on top of it....I know it happens but I don't see an honest dogman doing that..

 

if you bought offspring from nikki, then you were had :-)
she never had any

 

never had any of GrCh Nikki but just to state if she appears into your dogs pedigree...

 

heard of that hoss dog......

but only dogmen need game dogs, and thats going to show at forty minutes.

People arent being honest with themselves. A ped is like a log book on a car. Most people need it so that they know what they are buying and so they can SELL it later. Game dogs are more like a truck........if it carries the load it is a keeper. And it get used. Theyre are some lovely SBT and Pits that walk and talk the part but this neurotic need to have a low belly scrathing game dog then breed it is way off the mark. JMHO.

Most folks just dont want show stock and thats fine but dont confuse that with true game dogs. Dogmen have spent years in the game and hit brick walls with game families that they have perfected. So they go against their own inclination to outcross. This is out of necessity but I dont trust breeders and their stock. So i refer to my other thread.......

game test v peds......experience teaches you what to look for but practice will only take you so far.

If you want to breed dogs then breed healthy families made of strong individuals. Thereby when a dogman needs to make a special blend he has the ingredients to hand.

 

billy broken tail was out of howe's bo x richardson's (dk's) leggs, i think the confusion is with leggs' pedigree i have seen her as briant's buck x briants bonnie and also addison's big boy sting x briants bonnie. which way do you's have it.

 

always thought she was by sting x bonnie. billy broketail looked a lot like her imo, as did his brother jeckyl

 

on the subject of fake peds I no afew suposed ones down from Rocky Lee but does anyone no what staffords he was acctually bred to before going to U.K as am told theirs still stuff pretty close to him over their? grandsons and daughters etc etc?

 

On my ped for Billy Broketail I have Legs as Briants Buck x Briants Bonnie; it was before Billy BT became champion and was only a 1x winner at this stage. I have Leaches sting as sire of Briants Bonnie. Don't know if this helps or confuses it further?

 

bonnie was from stockquest...skipper x lucy.

 

sally was rockies an billys mam as told via email this very morning
sting =sam an honey
bonnie = skipper an lucy

 

proof ?
until someone furnishes proof then billy and his littermates i would consider bred as described below.
there has been a lot of paper hanging undoubtedly.i remember seeing some offspring from billy on peds online a few years back when i was a member and i do not believe they existed, certainly not bred as represented.you can not blame the dog for that but the piczo lot that ended up with scatter bred , non papered dogs that needed to raise some money years down the line.billy was bred as follows imo, or as best as i can make out/find evidence of.


..........patricks bolio jr (indian bolio x patricks red baby)
...howes bo
..........howes duchess (shunas dan x deweys sapphire)
ch broketail billy
..........leitchs sting (addisons sam x addisons honey))
...dk's leggs
..........briants bonnie (reids skipper x reids lucy)

 

Typical of the PISSCO brigade with their big ass dogs,many have ambull added to them. They'll breed any old shit and hang papers on them,the only owners those dogs attract are the street corner kids INNIT EH INNIT.:p

 

thanks thats how i had it too fellas cheers like i said it was 20 year ago now
peddlers shoot the fuckin lot lol

 

..........patricks bolio jr (indian bolio x patricks red baby)
...howes bo
..........howes duchess (shunas dan x deweys sapphire)
ch broketail billy
..........leitchs sting (addisons sam x addisons honey))
...dk's leggs
..........briants bonnie (reids skipper x reids lucy)[/QUOTE]


Thats how I have it aswell.......

 

its pms brock where the problem starts big blue an white dog
been told that s--- never bred a dog inall his life
but sold plenty!!
just looks like my m8 manhead got ripped off
think i will b looking for some new dogs lol
thanks for the help lads
atb

 

aslong as it came from sumwhere nice n has been linebred since by an old friend of yours then sweet. unless u wanna breed then its a pedo shit fight. if its not a.d.b.a then its crap unless its a serious case a line breeding then a.d.b.a

 

GR CH Nikki never had a litter, she has never appeared on any pedigree...R

 

When I had "Psycho", he was bred the once to a little bitch called Lee's "Cyke", 2 male pups one died at about 12months other was Lee's "max", all other breedings ware done while owned by the Farmers Boys..I know a few dog men in Sweden, who got this dog you mentioned from IRELAND..R

 

Ch."Billy Broketail" is by Howe's "Bo" out of Richardson's "Leggs", "Leggs" is by Briant's "Sting"(aka: Addison's "Bigboy") out of Briant's "Bonnie", the pedigree of "Leggs" was changed in the UK, to make him seem better bred, all the litter mates in Ireland had the correct breeding...R