Inbreeding

Has anyone heard anything about "old-time linebreeding formula" which sounds as "Let the sire of the sire be the same individual as the grand-sire of the dam on her dam's side". A good example of such breeding is LATIN FORCE KENNEL'S BARRACUDA (9XW).

 

It all depends on the individual dogs that are being inbred off of, no matter what family of dogs you are talking about. Quite a few folks that I know are happily feeding this strain today, myself included.

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=119976

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=165001

One fella I know of says he'll never go outside this family of dogs. While I agree that this is quite a bold statement, somebody besides myself still believes in this family. Sure, every "pure" strain will have to outcross eventually to maintain that "vigor" and introduce those needed traits that somehow get washed out. One could always find a looser linebred dog within your family to outcross to if needed. An out within an in, if you get what I'm saying. Of course the individual dog(s) is the most important aspect, not to mention the man/woman doing the breeding.

 

your dog is "triple bred" on that sydney dog,or in other terms "heavy" linebreeding.

 

I bet D3 would be good at the banjo.
No with dogs, I have heard of 2 tails, etc.

All fun aside. It brings all traits to the "top", were a breeder can see the bad and the good. Ya keep the good. You are able to expose the bad, sometimes hard to find traits (genes). This is just from reading and word of mouth.

 

they used inbreeding to keep a family of hand picked dogs to keep a line that worked . then if you wanted something hard you crossed to a hand picked family that was inbred that had what you wanted . this gave you hybred vigor . then they went back to the top or bottom side to keep the family going . you hand picked again and see what you need in the family . if you needed to cross out more you looked for a linebred family that's in your dogs family that had what you needed .

 

If you need to continually cross for vigor you simply are just using the wrong dogs.. If and when you decide to outcross you always outcross to another inbred family..if you have a line that is fused of 2 or 3 lines you don't need additional outcrossing you just breed to a loose linebred animal within your family.. Stop inbreeding on 1 dog all the time and try linebreeding that flagships animals best offspring and top not close relatives.. Linebreed a litter and every now again inbreed on that one great animal..

 

you don't inbreed on 1 animal .you inbreed and linebreed your family .when you need the cross you do it .

 

exactly!!!!

 

If you inbreed enough you will ruin any dog off a good or bad pedigree. Don't matter.

Inbreeding too much usually starts to bring out bad traits and produce unhealthy pups. Though sometimes it does produce very nice dogs

 

hybred vigor comes from crossing 2 stable lines . you only get them stable from tightening up .

 

you can also get " hybrid vigor" from breeding to dogs from the same family. you don't always need to outcross to get "vigor". now inbreeding on dogs in 4/5 generation the offspring might not carry the genes you inted on the offspring to carry. example 56 x jeep in the pedigree. the last generation of dogs may not even be genetically related to them.

 

Right...could carry and throw the traits of the bitch he was bred to...that's why its extremely important to know the dogs in the first 3 generation to know where the traits are coming from and witch way to breed to. Sometimes you'll get lucky and get a dog that looks and acts just like the dogs used to be bred on and if that fucker produces the same then ya good.

 

well i know every dog in 5 generations and that's how you make good ones. i don't depend on someone else . you breed them and keep them then you will know .

 

A little bit this b-dog,a litt;bit this b-dog,a bit more of this b-dog,add a bit more of this b-dog+ye have a b-dog.that's where it all come's from,if you+dog are happy with eachother,+it's what u want then give him a chance,breeder's that know what there looking for have done this for century's,+that include's the kennel club's,+not only dog's....b....

 

Ps;oldgoat,has it right on the nail.good un.....

 

Pure bred APBT are an inbred breed of dogs to begin with. Inbreeding intensify's the good traits as well as the bad. Each parent, the sire and the dam contribute 50% of their genetic make up to their offspring's genetic pool, so if you wanted to "tighten-up" your bloodline or bring a specific desirable trait to the forefront, inbreeding is a means to that end. If you had a sire which you wanted to "breed on", you'd simply breed him to his daughter, and then to his grand daughter, and then to his great grand daughter-triple bred is as tight as you can go without needing an outcross.

 

BenThere's rule 'rules'.
"Inbreeding doubles the good and triples the bad. What's important is to know the difference and cull." ~ M. Carver

 

just that simple huh?

 

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:rolleyes:

 

People seem to be missing the key point I said before - if you inbreed you must realize you are basically concentrating and accentuating the traits of the dogs you are inbreeding on. This can be good and bad. Recessive traits that show up might not be desirable - and then you cull. If you are breeding garbage dogs to garbage dogs you will make disgusting fucked up dogs. That is why when you see inbreeding in shitty milled toy breeds it creates a lot of snappy unstable ankle biters that shit and piss themselves at the drop of a hat and want to bite anything that moves.

If you are linebreeding or inbreeding you need to be responsible and be breeding top notch animals and understand what exactly you are doing. You also need to be man enough to cull hard.