Just because a dog is blue is it bully

I know now with all the bybs and Razor's Edge/Gotti fans out there that there are more than enough blue bullies. But I've seen a few blue dogs over the years from game lines and I've seen some bulky "bully" looking dogs pop up here and there. So what makes a dog bully? What would you guys consider the first bully dog? I don't own one but I would love to know.

 

Being a bully is what makes it a bully. AmBullies are not pitbull's, therefore thats what would make them a bully. I guess RE were the first bully's, i'm not really sure.

 

But I've seen some blocky dogs show up in more than a few litters that weren't bred for that trait. I know AmBullies aren't pit bulls. I just wanna know what makes them bully? I've seen Big ass dogs...that we referred to as catchweight but the were game as the came...but they weren't bully.

 

If it aint a game dog, it aint a true pitbull. If its bred for size, color, head....its just a Bully/Staff/Mutt. IMO

 

all bullies are "pitbulls".....what they arent is an APBT

 

This is just my opinion but the ambully is mainly bred for size. thats what makes it a bully besides the fact that they arent pure bred. I think there is more to a dog than its papers. If an apbt is bred show performance rather than physical performance you are turning an apbt into an amstaff. thats how they became an amstaff anyways. thats how i look at it. some people look at the peds but i look at the dog...

 

My dog is "blue" (I call it gray) and isn't a fat bully hippo by any means. I don't know if she's game or not, being there's no way for me to tell, but she does have hella drive, something most hippos don't. She weight's about 45 pounds give or take and is a little over 4 years old. I'll post some pixs to get folks feedback when it's light outside.

 

Well to the best of my knowledge K.C. Couturier was the first to start breeding actual "bully" dogs with his Watchdog bloodline. Those dogs were some of the first dogs to be bred for color, size, head, etc. Edgar Eddington's name should probably be added to the "bully" dog pioneers list as well.

 

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a bully is a bully and an apbt is an apbt. its all in the way they're bred. just because it looks like something doesn't mean shit. there is no color of game and if a litter of worker x worker apbt produced one low slung, bucket head, purple dog it wouldn't make it any less of a bulldog.

now if you took that dog and put it with another like dog, maybe tossed in a bit of olde english bulldogge for size then you're crossing into bully territory.

 

Well its not as simple as you think, there is more to it than just randomly pairing dogs. what makes a dog a bully is actually similar to what makes a dog an APBT- The purpose for which it was bred.

We all know that the difference between a APBT and a staff is breeding purpose (at least historically, its MUCH more now) As long as you were pairing, testing, and breeding toward a working goal you were breeding APBTs... form follows function. As soon as you put conformation first and starting to breed for the look your dogs became staffs.

Its a very similar difference for the bully though they arent just bred for the same looks now as they were originally... they are bred for extremes. Extreme muscle mass, head, bone, width and depth of chest, extreme size, etc.
Bullys have been around a LONG time, way before Dave wilson infact. he could be credited with mainstreaming and definitely he put a "face and name" to the style of the dogs, but there was "bully" breedings going on well before him. But at that time bully meant big dogs with a working drive. The old Greyline dogs, watchdog, jurassic kennels, grapevine, navarro, sierra, peterson, land of giants, chaos kennels... and so many more were producing dogs before the world really knew what razors edge was. They were kennels that focused on the bigger dogs and were producing 80, 90, 100 pound dogs before the bully fad to a turn to the short extreme features.

Not so sure game-dog.com is the best place to get info on bully lines.... I mean yeah, it worked out this time but still.

 

I wasn't trying to get info on bully lines...I just got back from a long deployment and to tell you the truth all I know is game dogs. but until recently I never heard of Dave Wilson, Razor's Edge or Juan Gotti. And I thought land of the giants and chaos just bred the world's biggest curs. But in my old mans yard we'd get a dog that was big as in near 60 pounds once in a while and he say that the dog was hog fat, or we got a catch weight dog here.

Now that I've set foot back on U.S. soil I start hearing Bully this, ABKC that, NukeBomb magazine and honestly I thought everybody had gone crazy.

But thanks everybody for there post...you helped me out.

 

i was under the impression that the APBT and the America Bull Dog were 2 completely seperate breeds???

the American Bull Dog is more closely related to the Old English Bull Dog and the APBT is not.

 

They are 2 totally separate breeds, we're talking about the AmBully which is another breed of dog. That is short and fat.

 

RE/Gotti dogs = Designer Breeds an nothing more.

 

i think woody d said it just right.

 

The bully is not another breed of dog. The bully doesn't have a blueprint... there isn't a breed standard to determine how much a bully should weigh. And all bullies are not pitbulls cross bred with mastiffs and american bulldogs. There are pure-bred pitbulls that are considered bullies. It's just a style of dog, originally short and muscular, real stocky looking. You see a lot of seperation today on the internet between APBT and American Bully breeders, but that's due to these bully farms being puppy mills with money being their only concern. Better breeding programs could've fixed or avoided this problem... instead caring more about money rather than the quality and life of the dogs. Some of these dogs on "American Bully" sites, arent bullies themselves and are the size of rottweilers, height wise. Poor breeding, but there are some nice looking bullies out there and not all of them are mutts.

To answer the question, the color blue doesn't make your dog a bully. We had some unexpected blues some years back like in the 90's. The parents were APBT's, black coats.

 

No, they might be thick, but they are not all fat. most are VERY heavily muscled and with tight skin. its not always fat.

 

Just to clarify, this statement is completely false on both points.

Casey Couturier was a UKC show judge who had "Pitter-Staffs" - game dogs crossed into AST blood. He did this to create a dog who adhered to UKC standard but would still retain gameness or at the very least drive.

He ended up leaving the UKC b/c in addition to showing/judging dogs he game tested his stock. His dogs were built to excel in the show ring & they were also expected to work. As such, they were NOT Bully in any way at all. They were larger, catch weight dogs due to the AST influence, but they were NOT bullies. They were conformation correct animals, just bigger, what we would call "catch weight." There were no over done heads, barrel chests, chopped off legs, etc. that are hall marks of the bully.

Of course as we all know, the UKC frowns on game testing, so C.C. took all his dogs to the ADBA. Some years after that got out of APBTs completely. Most of his stock THEN fell into true bully breeders who prized the dogs for their color. But C.C. was never a bully breeder nor was his line considered a bully line until recently.

As for Edgar Eddington, he was not a bully breeders nor did he wish to produce bullies. He intentionally crossbred dogs to produce what were originally called "Oklahoma Pulldogs." These dogs were specifically created for the sport of weight pull. They were reg. into the ADBA to jump start the sport & thus are now considered APBTs since they have the "papers" to prove it. (ugh) But any honest breeder who knows the Whopper line will tell you those dogs are Oklahoma Pulldogs & not bullies & the intent by Edington was never to create a bully.

Hope this clears a few things up.

 

I do agree that "better" breeding, more ethical practices, and more attention paid to the health of the animal and less ignorance about the structural integrity of the dogs they use and produce. People that will Cull (spay/neuter and place) dogs that do display faults or undesirable traits. And if people would realize if you sell someone a dog for $2,500 that they are going to breed it no matter what kinds of flaws or faults display because they view the dog as an investment and money maker and not a loved pet. There are lots of things about the bully world that get me mad, i must confess.