Garner's "Simba"

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getting a win is hard enough but making Ch is no small feat. If you continue after that and you have a dog biting through bricks by time he makes Ch his legend will be something of Hercules. At that point anybody who picks up your next 2 will have tried their best to find the best that money can buy just to say they stopped you from making GrCh. I don't knock those who trying to reach legend status, I commend them whether they reach it or not. Some folks won't even attempt to get 1 let alone 5

 

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Well said RR.This is what happened in South Africa.The kennels that started with the Frisco dogs did great with them.Real dogmen.Then the B grade doggers all got Frisco dogs.Dogs are still great but....If the two SA boys on here can join a amature boxing club they will learn a few things.First conditioning,the actual event,age,nutrition etc etc all takes something away from you or a dog.After 3 tough ones you are NOT the same person.If you guys have the balls to start competing you will start to understand what it takes from you.Now you have a good athlete being fed and conditioned by an idiot that have never been under the lights and the result is comments like hitting the ABS going for 5.You give that same dog in SA to someone that understands nutrition and combat and the result is vastly different.Like I say B league doggers A class dogs.I know most these guys and they not fit to pick up after a warrior.A cur cant condition a gamedog.Start boxing and maybe you will do better by your dogs.No such thing as a line that supposedly cant win 5.5 is rare.

 

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That is the unknown reason Friscofreak.

 

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It's just like all competing things, the better you are in the bush leagues, you get your name out there. Like a HS football player. He tears his league up and might does damage in his division all the way through states. Well folks know about him now, he goes to a Nike or Under Armour camp does good with some other top talents get to the big university, was once considered can't miss prospect and then 4 years later, he is average talent. The higher the ladder you climb the stiffer the competition bar rises.

 

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Good points! I started kickboxing and went 8-0. Next two fights were against guys who actually took things serious and I got beat up pretty good. After that I said screw it, I'd rather party, and realized that to keep going took a lot more dedication than I had at the time. I reckon things aren't too different in any sport.

 

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Loss means nothing as long as you take something from it and grow as a person. learn to be humble. Guys that has been through the mill themselves tends to have more respect for a bulldog. It is the guys that knows in their hearts that they are curs themselves that cant give credit and respect.

 

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F

He has good dogs

 

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Running hot! This is something most people don't realize, JUICE, CONDITIONING, and most of all HEALTH, ALL will make your dog run hot!!! So these bredings keep being made 100 puppies, and maybe one worth it's feed! But the question is do you REALLY want that in your breeding program???

 

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To belittle a losing dog is to take crefit away from its conquorer. Simba won 4 in devastating fashion and deserved to be highly touted. In the same vain it should be accepted that he lost to a better dog on the day/ night.
None of his opponents faced him with the intent to lose, 4 of them did exactly that and one triumphed over him. Thats the nature of true comp, you do your best by your dog and compete into the best and then accept the result, win or lose.

 

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well put, exactly.

 

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Some info gathered long ago about the dog known as Ch. Simba.......found in a place similar to this....take it for what it is worth to you.....source is unknown...

Man...where do I start! I guess I admit that by the standard we all embrace Simba was a cur. To the best of my knowledge Little Gator was a cold dog that never started. Unless he did truly start later in life, then quit, he shouldn't be called a cur. Frisco was deep game and proved it in a war with a helluva 52 lb(6 lbs larger than Frisco)killer called Leaver Red:Claims to the contrary are simply the fruit of small jealous minds and people who have realized the only way they can ever compete in life is to falsely discredit those who have passed them by.
Simba never turned in 5 pulling matches, never made any bad moves from schooling pulls up until his final failed scratch. There were many hurtful factors that contributed to Simba's failure. If we subtract them from the equation however, that still doesn't mean he was absolutely game: It simply means that we probably wouldn't have found the limits to his gameness at his fifth weight pull. Neither Simba nor Little Gator were dogs that had the fear component that we typically associate with curs. Both were short on a specific kind of aggression we call prey drive. At the same time both were blessed with virtually every other feature one could hope for in a dog. Therefore, the challenge in breeding either of them is simply to breed to bitches that will reliably throw prey drive. The success in both camps with these two dogs as studs should tell us that both have met the challenge, and thus it must be a goal that one can reasonably expect to meet in breeding this type of stud.
Simba is unique within all my experience with dogs. He and at least some of his offspring have a unique adrenal condition that is set off by loud noise/sudden movement. Simba would work his ass off if his conditioner would periodically fire a gun or set off a loud horn. But he was low on natural animal aggression. This dog could generate more hell for his opponent than any other in my slice of experience. Those who have seen both Art and Simba pull say Simba pulls harder hands down.

TO CHINAMAN: PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE ABOUT SIMBA BEING THE MOST PHYSICALLY TALENTED DOG THAT EVER WALKED. SHOULDN'T HE BE #2 AND THE ANIMAL THE HE STOPPED AGAINST BE #1. NOW I KNOW THAT THERE IS ALWAYS EXCEPTIONS BUT 9X OUT 0F 10 THE BETTER DOG WINS. DID SIMBA STOP ON TOP, WAS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM, ETC? PAINT THE PICTURE FOR ME

After seeing the astounding success of Simba through his first four wins (total time under 50 minutes)his conditioner developed delusions of grandeur and concluded that he, the conditioner, had the Midas touch. Anything he touched would turn to Gold. Unfortunately, the reality was that the conditiner had been the lucky recipient of a great dog and a great keep. Without authorization he abandoned the keep for hog hunt number five and instituted his own method. Eight days before the event his deception was discovered by the owner of Simba who chewed the conditioners ass for his dishonesty. The conditioner apologized and promised to get back on track. Instead of honoring his agreement, he gave Simba 9cc of dexamethazone in the last 36 hours prior to the keep. It is not uncommon to use dex in this fashion, but the amount used here was exorbitant. 9cc in a 40 lb dog is the equivalent of giving 45cc to a 200 lb man! I have injected 3cc in myself before and I was unable to sleep for 24 hours. I felt anxious and a little paranoid. I can't imagine what sort of craziness one might feel after receiving the dosage given to Simba.
In reality, some dogs really have a bad reaction to dex. Some become paranoid and disoriented. Given the amount injected into Simba, it becomes a powerful diuretic. Simba's mouth and gums were completely dry. When the skin on his back was pulled up, it stayed up. He weighed a pound lighter than he ever had in his adult life. He was severely dehydrated.
When the hunt began, Simba appeared disoriented. Even though his opponent was little more than average, Simba was always a second behind in his reaction time. At the 26 minute mark, Simba seemed to collect himself a bit and launched a more typical Simba attack. In the next 4-5 minutes he reduced his opponent to a defenseless hog lying on his back no longer defending himself. Simba was rearranging the hogs guts and the hog had stopped trying to keep him out. Against the instructions of Simba's owner, Simba's handler scooped up Simba from this dominant position and made the handle of the year. Had he not handled it would have ended right there. Simba was set on the line to scratch. Always in the past the handler had squeezed Simba before he released him so he would know he was free. For whatever reason, this time he did not. Simba stood staring at the hog when he was released. The hog was then released for a courtesy. When the hog moved his first step, Simba charged over and met him on his half of the arena, slammed him to the floor and continued to wreck him.
There are several points that can be made here. One that is relevant to your question is that Simba was essentially unhurt by the hog. Simba's failure would have been no different if he was facing a Teddy Bear. His failure was a product of his nature and his conditioner/handler's treatment. In short, the athletic prowess of the hog had no bearing on Simba's failure.
As a side note, the damage to the hog was so severe that many folks say he didn't survive. His side supposedly brought him out again a year later. They refused all challenges for a year by parties that would be using another hog from the Simba side, then did a little private deal that was only heard about after the fact to make their hog a Gd Ch. Some folks claim they used another hog to stand in for the first one to claim the Gd Ch title.

Please note that the above historical account was not a first hand account, that it has been passed from person to person, may be entirely fictional, and the teller of this story was in no shape or form a participant. This story is told for entertainment purposes only.

 

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Very interesting read...if that story is true does it change anybody's view of simba?

 

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From the mouth of the owner of Simba. He never started on his 5th... No excuses! (#respect for this kind of honesty!) But he produced like noone! Now, he has a yard full of Simba dogs...

 

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Yes he has produced his share of good ones

 

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Don't know much about this dog other than what I've read. If they did give him that much DEX without ever being exposed to it HE WAS TWEEKING! Not only that it will hop A dog up but it screws with the blood oxygen levels! So he was probably BUZZED!!! A four X er, and not right I would have paid forfit without thinking twice! I have seen this happen years ago, they miss on there keep and try to fix it with juice! It just don't work that way! Probably A very good dog, just misused!

 

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I think the right thing to do as a responsible handler would've been to pay the forfeit...good post Trot

 

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Great post trotline

 

Juiced up , ice up. Tattoo and balled up. If he quit in 30 ran hot or 90 min, He is a cur. I have seen a real deep game hound in a yard accident, going up 15 lbs, on his back for the duration, running hot ect, yet got me broke and this bulldog paws flipping under neath him as he tried to stand, crawl. Push , ect. To get back to the hound that was way bigger, stronger ect. That's Gameness. Remember TDK'S saying, He who bites last bites hardest.

 

Plan and simple gameexchange if he quit he was a cur just like most of the Fisco stuff . It they can't win in 40 and are kicking your ass they think it's time to go .