turning on

Yes I agree a true dog person should be able to control their animal, and yes a smart dog should know when to relax. It all depends on the handler and how he/she experienced they are.

 

Boze I'm sorry if I offended you by my opinion about that Cesar guy. I've had dogs all my life and bulldogs the last 30 years and I have seen nothing that guy could teach me nor did I ever feel the need for help from anyone like him in my life.
A wise man once said, it may not be right but it's my opinion,, and mine is that he's a joke lol.

Now you missed my point about the animal agression. You seem to be trying to justify the fact that your dogs are "dogs with confidence and depth" for some reason.
Now I am amazed at how well you can manage your dogs being able to control when they are animal agressive and when they are not, it sounds like you have a real strong bond with your dogs lol
Anyway, the point I was making is that my dogs are bulldogs and instinctively animal agressive because that's how we bred them to be. If you don't like it then go find another breed, maybe one that shows more "confidence and depth" lol
In otherwords,, I like my "barking lunging curs" lol

 

''The problem as far as I can see is NOT with the bulldogs, the problem is with the PEOPLE who own them''.



I know thats right

 

I agree with Boze IMO Cesar Milian isn't a joke

 

In my experience there is no guarentee, the dog is either going to turn on or not, spaying/nuetering doesn't really hold any factor in this equation. I've owned many dogs both altered and unaltered and both had equal results of displaying levels of DA.

Its always safer to assume that the dog will turn-on than to be lulled into a false sense of security due to a spay/nueter. Just be on guard always and never leave your dog or place them into a failing situation.

 

watever you say gringo you do you an ill do me i no what i no. believe me i have seen two of the best share a friggen couch and when i say best i mean the ones you read about and wish you could own and this was on more than one ocassion. so believe what you want but i have seen thngs with my own two eyes not something in read

 

First
Ceasar Milans teve shows should not be taken to seriously. That means; you can not get any dog and think it will behave as you have made it behave. That is to live in a lie with a rude awakening waiting for you.

There are no quick Millan fixes.
It is easy to see how it works. if you repeat a situation with a dog the dogs reaction eventually often will fade after a couple of times, for the moment, that is when the teveshow ends.
But next day or next week when the camera is off it is the same again. You will have to start all over each day and much can happen while you struggle with it, over and over.

It is the peddlers best argument; the dog will be what you make him. Because then the peddler don´t have any responsibilty for his/her dogs he/she sells to you. A peddler can sell a most unsuitable dog as household pet to a complete newbie with that argument; how he will be and react is completely up to you. Off course that is not thrue.

One thing about CM´s "pitbulls": they are probably no pit bulls. they are shelter dogs with unknown origin. And they are spayed as early as possible, as pups if they get them in time. That is not legal in some countries and should not be anywhere imo. A dog has to mature physically and mentally before spaying. Otherwise it will not be a full developed dog and the result could be anything, some like lobotomized zombies more or less. Not all and perhaps not many, but some reacts that way. There is a reason it is not custom everywhere with to early spaying.

Anyway, it is completely wrong and false to talk about pit bull when someone have a dog of unknown origin, and then spayed as a pup.

Some dogs don´t react on spaying when it comes to DA. Some do and some don´t. That is a fact. Nothing to count on.

In other words if anyone fear the dog aggression, don´t buy a pit bull just because the peddler told you it´s just to spay him, and then do as Cesar Millan does on teve. That is not how the real world works. Not what I have seen anyway.

(hope this post don´t disappears without a word of explanation as the two last I wrote, of for me unknown reasons. I have´nt broken any rule)

 

Not to be an ass but rather putting things into perspective

This was dated March of 2008 by you Boze.

So which is it Boze, do you really know these dogs that "we" only read about or are you only commenting on dogs that "you've" only read about ?

Again im not trying to be an asshole but I find your earlier posts here at GD to be a great contradiction to what your typing here in this thread.

 

LMAO Internet dogger goes down in flames!

 

colby dogs you are correct and i do not have any near me but during that time i have found what in was looking for. i did what you guys said and went to some shows and found good people to take me under there wing i will not mention who they are as i really do not care. and if you do not believe me come to a Nj show and you can see for your self who i have met. when was that post a year ago or more. calm down there bohawg who the hell you are you i never said i was a dogger i am just a greenhorn takin my time and being taught by people that i have spent time with and have even taking time out of my summer to go and live with them for a little while so next time you assume you no everything why dont you look at when that post was made a year and a half ago. believe me you can see plenty in year in ahalf

 

LMAO one weekend a month 2 weeks a year...are you in the dogger reserves? And now you Know I am Bohawg pleasure to meet ya.

 

colby dogs no disrespect but you said yourself that that was 2008 its almost 2010. is it that hard to believe that during that time i have figured a few things out.

 

out of that post all you got is that i see thoe people at the shows. . i talk to the guy every week i go visit him about once a month and we have become good friends. i hope you attend the NJ shows it will be nice to see who you actually are and we can have this discussion in person. yes when that post was made i knw no one so what now i do. it is that simple i aint gonna drop names as that is disrespectful and just fuckin stupid

 

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH you mean game turning on ok!!! I get it now yes even if your dog is spayed she still will turn on you can say your APBT is the most gentelest dog around other dogs but hwne that day comes someone wnats to be on hush don't they?

 

For me ? Yes its too hard to believe. You may have met a person or two and you may have even seen a couple of dogs but you cannot discredit years of hand-on personal experience which is exactly what your missing in your repertiore. Mostly with your knowledge and little time invested in the dogs you yourself can only go off what you have read and what you have heard because the decades of ownership and managing a yard is where you fall short and thus places most of what your saying as second hand knowledge. So yes I find it hard to believe that you have hurdled leaps and bounds within your short time from that OP to now.

What I found insulting was knowing that your still green and yet you are/were coming off as if you were knee deep into the dogs and that clearly is not the full truth now is it ? When you say stuff like this

Its as if you're talking down to others who have more time into the dogs than you do and I thought maybe others might like to know the truth and that is why I dug up your old post.

As to the OT, yes some firey dogs can co-exist with other dogs however that is not the norm and anyone who has been around long enough knows this. It has nothing to do with training either, it all lies apon what burns inside of the dog that makes them tick and how they react with others. I have always had a multi-dog household. The only reason why I can/do is because I know my dogs and I know which ones can be around others and which ones cannot. It doesn't matter how well you train them or how much you socialize them, the ones that fire up just do and the ones that dont just dont, its that cut and dry period.

P.S. that whole Cesar Milan thing is pure bullshit.....you show me where he has multiple ( according to his definition ) "red zone" dogs cohabitating together and I'll eat my words. I'll give him credit, he knows dogs and genaral k-9 behavior, where he lacks is in specific breed behavior and knowledge and that is where he falls short and should not be looked apon as the end all be all of dog handlers.

 

There might of been many dogs that knew the difference between work and play back in the day.....but no dogman, back then, ever took it for granted that their dogs were all warm and fuzzy when not in 'work' mode. DA is genetic. No amount of socialization will undo that.


As far as Cesar Millan goes, you are watching a TV show. His "pack" doesn't frollick around like that all the time. And I doubt that alot of his dogs are american pit bull terriers. Honestly, he trains humans and does a good job at that. And another thing, you never see breaksticks on his show. How responsible is that?

 

colby dogs i see what you are saying and truthfully i did not mean to come off that way and i am sorry if i offended you. i meant no disrespect towards those that have put in all that hard work.

 

Thank you.

Again wasn't trying to be an asshole just putting things back into perspective.

 

FACT: Every APBt has a switch to them and it can turn on at any moment or any time

 

Just my .02 and nothing else. It totally depends upon the individual dog. Some dogs do relax and become calmer and less aggressive, (but do we really know just how aggressive they may have or have not eventually become before they were altered?), and some dogs do not calm down and go on to be quite aggressive. I have definitly seen most all of the scenarios and in MHO, the dog will be a dog first and an altered dog second.