Dogs of today - better or worse?

There was a higher % of good dogs then due to a lower number of dogs. There are a lot more good dogs now, but a lower % due to overbreeding and underacheiving.

 

im gonna have to disagree on that one. if they had a higher % its not cause they had a lower amount of dogs. they had yards full of dogs back then. its just they were actually using them.

the reason its lower today is cause the laws are different and a lot of people are breeding just to make a dollar. so stock isnt getting checked cause its for brood only,lol.

 

there is not one good breeder that did not worry about paperwork. example duhon hammonds colby and many others the paper work needed to be good and so did the dog breeding bad ass to bad asswith no idea about the ped you would not be successful period

 

Well we disagree then.lol. Brood only..lol..You do hear that quite a bit nowadays.

 

bad ass x bad ass would work cause all these dogs go back to the same blood anyways so it wouldnt matter if you didnt know the ped. feeley, colby, lightner, etc. you just have to have a disciplined breeding program. people been doing it for yrs overseas. take a look at some of those ch and gr ch. most are mixed with different blood but they are breeding worthy dogs and getting good working stock in return.

 

that shit makes me laugh everytime is see it. and most of them are labeled brood only and they are only young pups. some people.

 

we bred a dog to fulfill a number of considerations: biting, wrestling, stamina, endurance, smarts, gameness, loyaty etc.......

the dogs of today seem to have some of the traits but split up and i had difficult to find these all in one dog. perhaps i need to get out more often or something.

i remember seeing 3 - 3 1/2 hr contests., we don't here about that anymore. seems todays dogs are rougher, so that takes away from the purpose; gameness.

 

Today's pitbulls are a distortion of the breed,mindless trophys that lack the true character and tendencies of the APBT.When I say "today's pitbull",i refer to the pitbull culture of breeders who breed trophy pitbulls.according to the breed standard APBT should weight 60LBS.Today's modern pitbull could not perform at the task for which it was breed.They sure are pretty,but ....if they lack agressive nature that would stop an intruder from entering my home and harming my family,i personally would not feed a ton of gotti petigree.in all,i think there is a better pitbull today.you just got to dig deep to find it.i know you love your too.

 

"left off"??????

 

:mad:"left off"

 

If the dogs are worse today it's because the old timers haven't taken the time pass on the knowledge that was passed on to them. I hear a lot of people talking about how the new generation don't know what they're doing but you can't blame them. Without a mentor, why else could possibly happen?

 

If you think because a dog weighs 60 pounds it can't preform the task it was bred for, then, you are sorely mistaken. Mine will also stop an intruder coming into my home without a doubt. Though the last thing an intruder needs to worry about is my dog. He would be lucky if the dog got to him before I did.

 

I think the dogs of yesteryear were better than today there was open competition than not so today . It seems today people breed for pretty papers remember the dog makes the papers the paper dont make the dog . They are called game dogs not hard biting dogs just some food for thought .

 

well said i agree

 

Well Yardboy IF your willing to clean up dog shit walk dogs spend 5 years or so doing the dirty work . On a dog-mans yard and take a lie detector test Im sure you can find a dog man to teach you maybe . I know what you are saying but the times have changed its hard to trust anybody today . also to find a young guy that has what it takes to be a dog man is just as hard its 24 7 365 that is what it takes to do it properly . No vacations no friends out side the sport most of your friends cant understand what we do they just dont . And if you have a wife that is not into the dogs you can write off that marriage . Than forget about having extra money you wont the dogs suck that up . Also you will become a social out cast because you own APBTs . If all this sounds good to you I advise a Lobotomy LMFAO

 

LOL you got that right but some of us young men are willing to do all of the above an has what it takes but just cant get anywere because they just dont know the right people . YardBoy I guess we have to just be patient up here in OHIO or move down south like all the old timer from here did lol

 

i meant an oversized bully can't move and won't have the wind to perform for very long.my own pits weight between 50 to 80lbs.i personally never seen size beat speed.

 

Noone is talking about bullys. This is a gamedog forum so the quyestion pertains to working bulldogs. You bringing up bullys is the same as bringing up labrados or cattle dogs.

I vote better. If a breeder tells you that the stuff they're currently feeding doesn't hold a candle to the dogs they were feeding 20-30 years ago then they're doing something wrong.

 

I completely agree with that, except for the steroids and drugs. That's not really what has changed much. It began with the goal of winning the bet, the steroids and drugs simply made that a bit easier to accomplish, without putting in the effort. That does correlate to the sports scenario though. The root of the problem that some see has always been society ideals and money. It moved away from being truly about the dogs well before the Animal Welfare Act of 1976.

I have to respectfully disagree. While there may not have been many breeders that did breed strictly good dogs to good dogs, without any concern of its lineage, these types of breedings did occur with great success and there have been many dogmen swear by it. Breeding within a family dogs with desirable traits would, theoretically, produce a higher percentage of offspring with those desirable traits. However, even the breeders that did breed based on lineage who bred dogs outside of their own stock, they couldn't be sure of the true lineage of the dog that they bred to. Many, many decades ago, dogmen could trust each other's word because they were in it for the dogs, however once money became the main concern, there were many that would falsify their dogs true heritage to preserve the blood for theirselves or their family. This did not stop quality dogs from being produced because the traits themselves were being bred for, not a name in a pedigree.

Personally, I can't say whether or not "the dogs" are "worse" today or not. However, I can say that a good majority are most likely not able to accomplish the task they were once bred to do as well as they did many generations ago. I believe that the reason for this is because many "old timers" passed on too much information to far too many people and sold dogs to anyone with money, thus creating a chain reaction. Word of mouth passed on from person to person, without any first hand knowledge of what they are passing along, generally leads to having little to do with what was originally passed on. The same goes for information about what personally works for one person... what works for one, may not work for another. If the "old timers" hadn't have passed along much information, society would know little about American Pit Bull Terriers. If they hadn't have placed them in the hands of anyone with money, society would have never created what they believe a "pit bull" to be. Society's greed and contentment is what I believe is the cause of what you are suggesting.

 

I'm not talking about word of mouth information, I'm talking about the hands on info. And to the old time dogman, I'd love to spend all my spare time and money picking up crap and leaning how to properly care and handle these dogs. And I do live in Ohio and not to get too personal but I work on the river gone a month home a month and i
I gotta work to live so 365 isn't quite possible but thank God I have a wife who loves my dogs enough to feed and care for them when I can't but if I could find one real respectable "old timer" within an hour away I'd be out there with his dogs everyday doin whatever it took to take in all the knowledge I could learn how to be the next generations old timer. I don't want to see the dogs get worse, especially not in america.