Any one heard of Sassillis bloodline?

Just wandering if anyone has any info, I've never heard of this bloodline. Saw some of this blood advertised and just wanted some info.

Thanks

socks

 

Sasselli's blood (also called Grapevine blood, as from what I understand, Tom Sasselli owned Grapevine Kennels) is made up of Watchdog crossed to other UKC show blood. Here are some of the more popular Sasselli dogs:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7382

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7386

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=24550

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=7365

If you can get it tight & get it right, I would not count it out. It's not true *gamebred* blood by far, but I had 2 pure Sasselli dogs & they were pretty good dogs. They'd make great weight pull or hog dogs. But you have to watch them closely & train them well, b/c unless they've been ruined by the bully breeders, the level of DA can be quite high. At least it was in the Sasselli dogs I had anyway.

Hope this helps!

 

its crossed with some wilder/hemphill with some zebo. I was told that there was high DA, the guy is far from a bully breeder but runs some of this blood and a little old school watchdog. Thanks for the info.

 

my house dog has that stuff in his topside, he is blue but around 60 pounds, built like a gamedog, and definately has DA and high prey drive. he could definately work as a hog dog, and compete in weight pull/conformation.

 

Yeah, mine were bad DA. Here is a ped. I had her & her brother:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=33150

Sadly, both have since passed.

Here is another Sasselli dog. He was not owned by me, but I bred one of my best bitches that I had at the time to him:

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=19899

If I could find another tight Sasselli dog, I may consider getting it, but the Sasselli blood has been scattered out, mostly bred to TNT blood (mmph) or Chaos blood (yuck). The Hemphill/Wilder/Zebo cross is a new one. Wonder how it will work out.

 

Hopefully this weekend, I'll be able to find out and let you know how it is working.

 

is this a pup you are lookin to buy? i would steer clear if that was the case and spend your cash on a better bred one IMO

 

now im gonna nhave to dig up the ol' boys UKC papers and look at em, i recognize a few of the names on that ped u posted. question, i flew this dog in from a guy in PA, is that where this bloodline comes from?

 

The pup I'm looking to buy is heavy hemphill. This is some of the other blood the guy has on his yard. I was just looking for info on it.

 

I could be wrong, but I think Grapevine Knls was based in California & I heard some time ago that TS is out of the dogs.

EDIT: Socks, don't buy "better bred," buy a "better dog." A dog can have a gold mine pedigree, but it means nothing if the dog is junk. But if the dog works for you, go for it. I once knew a Watchdog crossed bitch that would have been dead game if you let her. Most folks on here would have spit on her pedigree, but she was all bulldog. The Sasselli's blood is some of the best Watchdog blood you can get bar-none, IF that's what you like. Most of the dogs are well built (a bit on the large side, but still well built), very drivey & hard workers. Of course this is a game dog board, so a lot of people will automatically hate on this line, but the fact is Sasselli IS well bred for what it is. Is it like Boudreaux, Patrick, Colby, etc. No, it isn't. But IMO it is some of the best Watchdog blood by far. Or at least it used to be anyway.

 

How long as this blood been around

 

I myself do not know how exactly how long they have been around, but I know GVK had ads in the Gazette in the mid 90s & they were already an established kennel then.

 

That's the answer to my question... I've heard of the grapevine line but never did much looking as I thought they were bullies...

 

Well, they kind of are & they kind of aren't. They're bigger & some are bulkier than game dogs & some of the Watchdog blood does go back to ASTs, so that may make them bullies in some folks' eyes. But they were around way before bullies were even thought of.

I never knew TS, so I don't know what exactly he was breeding for. Not color b/c he didn't seem to try to capture the blue color that the Watchdog blood infused & even to this day very few Sasselli dogs are blue.

Not size, b/c his dogs weren't really overdone. Some, like Zeuse & Conan were a touch heavier boned, but the ones I had looked like game dogs, only super sized. They were not exaggerated in any way like bullies are.

Unlike most bullies, They are also high drive & can be very DA, something he must not have tried to eliminate. But I guess the only way we'd know is to talk to TS himself.

The only thing I can say is that the 2 I had were great dogs save for the DA. I don't mind DA, but mine were so high in DA they'd fight same sex OR opposite sex dogs at the drop of a hat. Plus, they were hard to handle due to their sheer size - breaking a 30 or 40 lb dog is a lot easier (for me anyway) than a 65lbs of fury. Furthermore on the negative side, the DA could be so high you could get a few puppy killers.

Hope this helps. :confused:

 

This dog has amber lite kennel lines in it which is what my dog is from.

 

Grapevine was from Fresno CA. TS still has a few old males but is not open to stud and is not breeding anymore. I'm from the area and have looked into it. Word is around here is that he bred for the DA.
Adam
Darkside Kennels

 

a couple of fellas in my hometown bought dog from grapevine 14 or 15 years ago. one of them was off a dog named Conan i believe, and i dont remember the others sire, but anyway, both were nice looking stocky pups. long story short, they were both heavily socialized, yet one turned into a wicked child biter. of course he wasnt put down, and of course he was even bred. one pup i know off him was spooky around kids also. now the other pup ended up getting his neck broke playing w/ a rottweiler when he was 4 months old. it was along recovery, but that dog was NEVER very healthy after that. he would have literally overheat on a chain in the shade. this is my limited experience w/ this line, but again ill say by a better bred dog and hope you get the better dog. its all a crap shoot w/ pups anyway

 

Thanks for the info guys. That would explain the crazy high DA in my Sasselli dogs!

I guess I got lucky with my guys, as neither ever showed any aggression whatsoever toward a human. The worst I had was a puppy killer, which I had put down.

As for the overheating problem, I would attribute that to a probable case of elongated soft palate. I knew one GV dog who had one & saw pics of a few GV dogs who looked like they'd probably had one. This of course would predispose the dog to overheat, even in mild weather.

Of course this defect is easily avoided - do not select dogs with big heads, shorter muzzles or any dog who snuffles or snorts while breathing or snores loudly while sleeping. These tend to be indicators of elongated soft palate. of course this can be hard to tell in a pup - I once got a Zebo pup who looked fairly normal as a puppy, but grew up to have an elongated soft palate.

 

Woody, I'm keeping my opitoins open, I'm not rushing in to buying a pup. Around here it's hard to find any apbt thats not RE/Gotti.