Creatine

To those that use creatine ethyl esther as a supplement. Do you still feed the same amount of food to your dogs? Or do you increase their food intake?

Thanks

 

skip the supplement and just feed raw or BARF

 

i'd go with glutamine instead of creatine. whenever i used creatine i lost my gains after i stopped using it. glutamine helps alot with muscle repair

 

Feed your dog quality feed. Creatine does nothing for a dog

 

Creatine does the same in a dog as in humans, it rebuilds muscle quicker, when the muscle is broken down and it does work. creatine is lost in the cooking process of kibble and is killed in raw meat when it's frozen, if a dog is given Creatine mix it into water thoroughly and give it before 15 min. Or it's just pointless, creatine tends to dry a dog out so keep liquid handy, for me it works best when given to a dog the same time I give electrolytes in the water. And water heavy or you'll kill the kidneys. This supplement is ment for strength training and not so much long term endurance, if your dogs built too much muscle your dog will fatigue a lot sooner and run HOT so ideal for quick and flashy 30 min weight pulls use in moderation for preparing for a long 3 hour wild boar hunt glutamine also works great and is better suited for endurance from the info I have gathered every case is different and always ask your vet before you ad supplements. And don't take my word GOOGLE is a great tool because the Great God knows I've been wrong before and so has EVERY member on this board use common sense.

 

A bulldog is a bulldog. Try all the supplements you want...

 

what amounts would you be using for dogs cos that sounds messed i use that stuff on me

 

this is what i use.


CREATINE MONOHYDRATE 99.9% PURE

Syn-Tec Creatine Monohydrate has been proven to dramatically increase total bodyweight and muscle mass more than weight training on it’s own. Creatine helps to increase muscle mass, strength and recovery from muscle fatigue. Athletes using a superior manufactured creatine have reported an increase in intra-muscular hydration (bigger pumps while training). Latest research also shows that supplementation with creatine may increase your resting metabolic rate (RMR). This means you may burn fat faster than normal…even when resting.

'Verdana','sans-serif']Creatine is a natural occurring high-energy molecule made from three amino acids _ Arginine, Glycine and Methionine. 95% of all creatine is stored in skeletal muscle. Creatine is the foundation for providing energy to all your muscular movements, especially short, intermittent maximum efforts that require explosive bursts of power such as weight lifting, sprinting, rowing and martial arts. In essence, creatine is what helps you squeeze out another few reps before reaching muscle failure.

Creatine works by making a muscle contract through an exchange of energy. Just like your car needs a spark to ignite the petrol that causes an explosion of power that pushes pistons down to drive the engine…creatine provides the spark which starts a chemical exchange in the muscle which makes it work…Adenosine Triphosphate (ATP) is the bridge between the energy in food you eat and the actual chemical energy required for your muscle to work. ATP is broken down into another chemical called Adenosine Diphosphate (ADP) and this releases energy which is used by the contracting (working) muscle. ATP is your body’s immediate source of energy and typically the amount of ATP a muscle stores allows you to exert a maximum effort on an anaerobic exercise such as weight lifting for 5 to 10 seconds. After that, your muscles need to restock its supply of ATP. When you hit muscle failure you have run out of ATP. This is where creatine plays its part. Creatine stored within skeletal muscle releases its phosphate molecule to ADP, recreating more ATP. Therefore your body’s ability to regenerate ATP (thus adding more power to your training) depends on your supply of creatine.

The human body absorbs creatine so well that within a week of creatine supplementation, creatine levels will be saturated. This means…Increased muscle mass, strength, stamina and endurance.

 

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What does this popular performance supplement have to do with feeding your dog a natural diet? More than you might think......

Look inside pro training rooms, talk to serious athletes, read sports science journals and you'll see Creatine (cree'-ah--tun) being discussed. And with the trickle down effect, performance dog fanciers are asking questions as to whether this supplement might improve their performance.

In dozens of well-controlled scientific and medical studies, Creatine has been shown to fuel muscle energy, boost power performance and enhance recovery. Creatine has a strong safety record as well.

I feel qualified to speak about Creatine and dogs. I helped formulate and introduce the first commercial Creatine products for athletes for UNIPRO 15 years ago. I also began testing Creatine supplements on dogs at about the same time.


What is Creatine?
First, what Creatine is not. Creatine is not a fad, or the latest health nut potion. Just the opposite, Creatine is a scientifically validated food supplement. Moreover, Creatine is a more than a supplement; it is actually a lost nutrient from the wild food chain of wolves and wild dogs.

Creatine is a natural element of the wild food chain. Creatine is stored mainly in muscle and in nerve tissues in both humans and dogs.

The canine body obtains Creatine in two ways. First, after eating protein, the dog’s body links two amino acids to form Creatine. In this way, the canine body makes its own Creatine. The second way dogs obtain Creatine is from the protein foods they eat. Creatine is naturally occurring in the canine diet in meats. After eating meat, some of the Creatine is absorbed.
So the dog obtains Creatine two ways. First, the body makes some of its own. Second, Creatine is extracted from the meat dogs eat.


The First Clue
In 1832, French researchers noted muscle tissue from wild foxes contained about ten times the Creatine as the same tissue of caged foxes. Since it appeared both fox groups received approximately the same diet, it was concluded physical activity accumulated Creatine in muscle tissue. In other words, wild animals, because they're forced to move for survival, store more Creatine than sedentary animals.


Wild vs. Supermarket Meats
Other researchers examining the relationship between domestic and wild animals within the same species have noted striking differences in lipid content and profile depending on whether the animals are fed wild or domestic diets. This difference within the same species, influenced solely by diet, suggests that there are significant but subtle differences in wild and domestic meats.

One of the most important differences in wild and domestic meats appears to be Creatine content. Although more research remains to be conducted, it can be said that all meat is not the same. Clearly, meat is much more than a mere vehicle for dietary protein.

Based on studies by Mesch and other researchers, it appears that wild dogs can "wolf" up to several kilos of fresh wild meat at a sitting. Since muscle tissue is the primary repository of Creatine, it can be reasonably said that wolves consume relatively large amounts of Creatine when lucky enough to make a kill, or scavenge. Based on French research, this wild meat may contain more Creatine than domestic meats. At any rate, dogs enjoy meat and will eat large amounts at almost any opportunity. With every bite of meat they take, Mother Nature makes sure they get Creatine, too.

It can also be said that dogs are evolutionary-designed to consume not just meat, but also the Creatine within the meat as part of Nature's wisdom. Interestingly, the first major Creatine study in <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com</st1:country-region>America was conducted on dogs in the early 1920's at <ST1:place <st1laceName w:st="on">Cornell</st1laceName> <st1laceType w:st="on">University</st1laceType></ST1:place. Scientists found a sharp rise in protein/nitrogen retention when exogenous Creatine was supplied in the diet. Increasing protein retention is important because it is stored in muscle tissue, and less is lost through the kidneys.

But unlike meat, and especially wild meat, commercial dog food contains very little Creatine. This may be one reason why meat diets, most recently advocated by Dr. Billinghurst, and others over the years, report meat-based or meat-supplemented diets as providing more health benefits than dry commercial dog food alone.

The lack of Creatine in commercial dog food, and the replacement of it in meat, may be a part of Nature's wisdom of feeding meat to dogs. So when you feed meat, you provide much more than just protein and amino acids; you replace "lost" wild nutrients missing from commercial dog food. Science is just now beginning to understand "why" meat is so beneficial and productive to dogs. One of these "lost" factors lost in modern foods, but contained in meat, is certainly Creatine.

So when you feed meat to your dog--especially raw meat-- you're also supplementing Creatine because Creatine is built into the molecular structure of meat-part of the package. It's clear that Creatine intake is NOT new for dogs. Actually, the absence of Creatine is new. Until commercial dog foods came into being, dogs consumed Creatine in the meat they ate from our plates. With modern dog foods, Creatine intake virtually stopped.


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depending on what type of Creatine you use.
Creatine Phosphate in paste is about 2mls per day for a dog of about 60lbs.
convert as nec.
if you give to much they will get the shits....
i dont personally use Creatine to build bulk, i use it to help with recovery and have had good results with working dogs up to and around 5 hour work outs.

D'S.
hope some of the info helped out.

 

D's and Red Cocaine thank you. Its nice to hear advice from people who know what they are talking about and do the proper research . It seems that alot of people on here give advice when they dont have a clue. Amen brothers !

 

We're using Creatine Ethyl Esther at 1g/day. It has helped with muscle recovery.

I was just wondering if I should feed more.

The pack are on a raw diet.

Thanks

 

BigDogg, what weight is the dog?
how much work are you doing and what type?
how well is the dog recovering?
what are stools like?
its a pretty difficult question without knowing and seeing the dog.
i dont like to give advise like this other than the standard dose for the product. all dogs are different and all react differently with different products.
as i stated also, i use CREATINE MONOHYDRATE 99.9% PURE.
D'S.

 

YOU'RE KIDDING, RIGHT?

 

you must be kiddin, if you have high demands of your dog he needs more than just "quality food"

 

Creatine does help to an extent. Feed it if you want as it's very, very cheap. Make sure to up the water intake. If you don't, the dog will cramp. I've used it for years on myself and the last thing you want is to be dry on the stuff. You won't notice the effects after an endurance test, but will with activities involving short bursts: weight lifting, sprinting, jumping, etc....

To get more in depth info, check out:

Creatine:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatine

ATP:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adenosine_triphosphate