Battle Crosses

So i was told by this old guy that if you have 2 line bred inbred bloodlines that aren't related at all you get a good performance bulldog , but he also told me that you can get a good english bull terrier and cross that in to get a good performance bulldog? Was he telling me right or was that a load, he seemed smart and all but yall are real dependable, and some people only seem smart.

Would these be considered battle crosses?

does anyone have a EBT x APT i just want to see one i think it would look pretty cool?

 

What is a battle cross? I would think that doing that would lose the essence of the apbt. JMO But a good cross that i have heard a lot about is the Tacoma (AST) crossed with a pure Colby. In fact i have a Colby bitch im thinking about doing it with. She has colby's Pincher in her more than 26 times she's ten yrs. old. And my buddy has one of the last Tacoma males on earth he's 12 and still shooting good i just hope it takes.

 

you can get good dogs breed diferent lines in my opinion bulldogs must be breed with bulldogs not in AST or EBT.

 

I forgot his name and don't have the time to look through my book collection but there was an old time breeder in the US that crossed bull terriers with pitbulls. He had a lot of success back in the day. He was from Poland I believe and unfortunately he never really let any of his dogs get away from him so all the info was lost with him. Some of the old timers speak of it like Armitage in his book about fighting dogs.

Regards,

B

 

that guy from poland was komisinski and there is a thread about him that was started a couple days ago

 

If your looking for a battle cross I wouldn't use a bull terrier keep it real... a battle cross would be like taking redboy and Jeep, Eli and carver and so on these are now strains of there own very well proven but the real cross doesn't depend on the bloodlines as much as it does the dogs themselves. There are a lot more details but hope this helps.

 

Please step away from the dogs.

That is just silly talk now.......of coarse the dog would have Pincher in its ped multiple times, he was one of the foundation dogs of the Colby strain however keep in mind that he was alive about a good 100 years ago and his genetic are so far back that it would have no impact on the dog in question that you are reffering to. Just the sheer mentioning of that is a strong indication that you ought not to be breeding....as if breeding a 10 y/o was such a good idea to begin with. Again silly talk.

 

Ok, the polish guy was Walter Kominski. It was rumored that there was some bull terrier blood in his dogs but that is likely not true. Also waaaaaaaaaayyyy back in the day there were sporting bull terriers that may have been game, not so anymore, i think. Look even if you are going for hybrid vigor I would choose dogs that have some common ancestory especially if you will be breeding the product of your first breeding. If you are not a total genius at breeding I think you would be better off breeding two linebred dogs that come from the same quality line and are from reputable breeder. Good luck with the endevaour though. I am curious how it goes.

I know colby dogs have not been considered fast lane dogs for a while but I wonder if the still cross nicely with some lines?

 

i read somewear that Colby dogs where crossed with american bulldogs that why there mainly white and of thier large size.but who knows

 

You read wrong, Colby is the oldest Pure strain of ApBT's in America.

 

We have been threw this crap allready. If you cross ANY other type of dog with a APBT you are breeding up CURRS ! Thats it ... They are not battle crosses they are MUTTS. Battle crosses IN TODAYS TIME are nothing more than other strains of APBTs bred together. I do not care what they did 100 years ago. WHY do you think people do not do that crap anymore. IT DONT WORK. Oh yea Im sure some one will say what about this dog blablabla. In the big picture it dont work. J

 

there are a couple that click very nicely when crossed w/ colby blood, boudreaux blood being at the top of the list

 

Exactly, A true classic example of a battle cross would be Pure/linebred/inbred RedBoy dogs crossed with, Jocko, or Jeep, or Snooty... sorta like this

http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=258521

 

if you d not no what would make a good battle cross then i suggest not breeding at all leave the breeding up to the experts and i mean people who actually have a clue about genetics and how they work

 

I agree with you Triple.

 

american bulldogs been around just as long but they were called old sounthern whites and american pit dogs they been around for ever. no body knows for sure who bred what with what.if you ask me apbt's and ab's are more closely related than people think.back than i'm sure if a dog was game and proved its self it was bred . they were all called bulldogs at one point .i'm just talken i own both breeds and love them both.i have old southern bulldogs not to be confused with the big sloppy pushed in faced johnson lines my bulldogs are 70lbs tops and look a lot like APBT's.look up old glory bulldogs online and you'll see what i'm talking about.

 

All the studying I've done points to American Bulldogs being a recreated breed bred out of pitbulls. I can't find any evidence for them being around more than 30 or 40 years, other than the claims of breeders.

 

The Colby strain is not crossed with anything. They have been breeding nothing but APBT's for over 110 years so not sure what your reading but the information is inaccurate. Also the dogs are not 70lb + monsters, they are right in line with the breed standard ranging from 30-50 lbs females and 35-60 males. All the dogs on Lou's yard are thicker this time of year due to thier living conditions, its get pretty damn cold up north in the winter so the dogs got a few extra pounds to help get them through the winter months.

Though they do throw dogs with heavy white markings that would be due to the breeding program of using the same genetics for more than a century, which touches on my point....they do not introduce anything different into thier program reasons why his line is pretty consistant in structure and appearance.

Wherever it is that your getting your information from is wrong and hopefully now you know.

 

here is a ~typical~ colby dog. one of the ~trends~ they throw are the white heads.
they are deff not "mixed" w/ anything though, oldest of the old

 

my grandfather lives in northern Florida he's 89 and he said they been using american bulldogs(old souhern whites) to caught hogs sense he's been a kid and his father used them too, now when i ask him if they were pitbulls or american bulldogs he said old southern whites, but he said that old southern whites and pitbulls were the same dog.now also pictures he has from the 50's and 60's are white dogs and colored dogs with white heads and chests some cropped ears and tails and they look alot like colby dogs.