Blacknose from two rednoses?

Do you have the dna proof on those black nose pups from red nose dogs? Seriously,, I honestly would love to see it.

I have been dealing with bloodlines that are red nose (from the OFRN strain) and to this day I nor anyone whom also deals with these lines that I personally know or deal with has ever seen a black nose pup produced from 2 red nose parents, and these people are 2nd and 3rd generation doggers... who got their start back before many of us were even born. I would think that if anyone would see this miracle, it would be someone who has based thier entire bloodline off the ofrn strain or bred nothing but red to red nose dogs (which stemmed from dogs that also carried black nose genes (OFR's)) and has been breeding selectively for x amount of time, not just 10 years or so. they arent getting black nose pups from 2 red nose parents.. what makes these dogs you've seen different? Why them and not these other dogs?

I have seen paper hung dogs on peds online claim black from 2 reds ...

im not saying odd things cant happen but until I see the dna proof, I have doubts! Perhaps it really is a throw back to some black nose dog or perhaps the bloodlines were heavy black nose (I have red nose dogs out of a red/ black breeding, when those were bred to a red nose they produced nothing but red and so on and so on..never yet have I gotten a black nose pup from 2 reds and my dogs lines arent 100% red nose dogs)


Post pics and peds if you have them please..

 

Once a dominant gene is lost, it is not available to ANY further generations, bottom line, right?

If I take all the spades out of a deck, no matter how many times u shuffle the remaining cards, you wont hit a spade.

 

What a coincidence. I run red devil/Loposay dogs not from Norrod. The black nose pups in question were from a stud of the red devil lineage bred to and extremely heavy Jeep/Red Boy/heinzl bitch.There was a litter of 8. 5 had red noses. There was a seal and whit bitch with a black nose. And a male and femal that were white /red with black noses. The grand sire one the top was seal and white and the grand dam on top was buckskin both with black noses. So thats second generation for the pups.The pups hold 25% from each of the the grand dam and grandsire on top.Thats where the black noses came from.
The pups are littermates to this dog.
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=223348

On another note,ive read articles from the colbys stating they have had red nosed pups which are culled because thats something they believe is a defect. They have also had mereles and Black and tans.

 

My dog's sire has a black nose and was from a brother sister breeding of two red nose dogs. It happens. My girl look just like her grand parents who are mostly OFRN blood. Go figure . Check out my Gallery. My new pup has a black nose and is out of Lil Buck and a Patrick bred red, red nose dog.

 

Can you link? I'd be interested in reading about them and merle dogs.

 

If it DID happen, it would be a genetic mutation, and no registry would register it without DNA.

 

Ive heard of this happening only one time before. It was two reds, one was a red brindle that was down from a family of r/rn the other had mostly reds but also reds w/ black nose. The funny part was the pup ended up brindle w/ black nose. He looked just like his folks build as well as his siblings, just his color was way off.

 

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Whoa!

I heard of not liking the color due to prefferrence but I've neer heard of such a famous breeder thinking it was a defect. If anyone can enlighten me to where I can read more about this I would greatly be appreciative.

 

Lots of old timers as well as not s old school people think red nose dogs are curs.

 

There are defects linked to merle, like when you breed two merles together and get lethal white. Anyway, I'd really be interested in reading that article. If the Colbys were getting merles way back when, it kind of disproves what's been said about the color popping up in the last 20 years.

 

Thats pretty damn funny!

 

Ive heard tons of people say they wont own a red nose dog because they think theyre curs.Had people tell me i have "Rednose curs".Although they arent curs. You may not have heard it but it is said .

 

I'm not sure I know what a chocolate red nose is. Can you post a pic. Are the rednoses in my gallery "true" rednoses. I'm not being an ass or anything. I really am curious.

 

I heard straight from Louis that there is no such thing as a red nosed Colby dog not because he culld them either but just that his dogs do not produce red nosed dogs.
The only dogs we ever had with red noses were from cross breedings with the dogs only being half Colby. Out of all my years owning Colby dogs I have never seen a red nose pop up unless it was from a cross.

As for the Black & Tans, he hasn't seen one of those in over 60 years.

 

Colby, did you ever hear about a merle Colby dog? I guess I should get my answer from the horse's mouth, since I'm being ignored by the one who said it.

 

He had a dog named Merle back in the 1940's, not sure on the Merle coloring tho. He has in the past had merle dogs but they were not part of any breeding program that I am aware of. He is not quick to cull a pup either, my last male was a kink tailed dog that he gave me as a gift. He knew I wouldn't breed him and that i would give him a good home and that we did. Next time I sit with him I'll ask him about merles and the dog "Merle" , though I think we discussed it before and I do not recall him being merle in color.

 

This litter was out of two red nose dogs. I believe the sire was a chocolate red nose though.

 

I remember that dog. I think he was a fawn color, though. My books are already packed up, and I can find the dog's ped online, but no pictures. Anyway, I emailed Lou and asked him directly, so if I hear something back, I'll post it up. (BTW, my first Pit Bull-type dog was a fat brindle girl with a kinked tail. That's another genetic flaw that I've always been curious about.)

 

Its not so bad on females but on males it can be hell. Alot of genetic flaws can accompany a kink tail,curved spines, hernia and missing testicles are amoung the few. Lou likes the kink tails for thier spirit but will not breed them. Before I got my last male Julio Ceasar Chavas was the last person to get a kink tail from Lou. They are not too common from the Colby line but they do pop up from time to time.

 

yep there ya go..chocolate rednoses. Those dark brown pups with the rednoses. If you breed those together you could get a black nose pup. This is part of the reason people keep saying their rednoses had blacknose pups..cause they dont really know the color of their dog to begin with. The only other reason is that another male got to their female.