Wellness Core

Whky doesnt anyone feed that Ole Roy Seconds bag. You know, the feed that is spilled onto the floor at the factory, and bagged up as "second" feed? It's pretty good feed aint it? I figure it falling on the floor dont hurt nothing. Heck, if we can eat hot dogs and be healthy, why cant the dogs be in good shape off of this feed?

As to protein, why cant you just dump some protein powder onto the ole roy seconds and turn that dog into a muscle bound monster?

Of course, I dont recomend H&K's, I do however recomend Ruger's. Have one Glock, and it is pretty nice, but have many ruger's, and no issues.

 

I have read some of your others posts and you seem to talk down to quite a few folks, well Rocky H. Balboa, I will not be one of them. The point that I was trying to make which you being a know-it-all seemed to miss in order so you could simply reply as quick as possible is this...reading a list of ingredients is one thing but actually feeding a food over a period of time and evaluating dietary results on how a dog responded to that list of ingredients is completely different. Anyone can type a list of ingredients and post them for others to read but what is the point? You can not recommend a dog food as a "good one" when you yourself have never fed it to your own dogs to see what the results were. Mental and physical conditions based on diet can only be evaluated after some first-hand experience is gained from comparisons between products.

 

lol....I honestly do not know what you reference. I certainly did not talk "down" to anyone on this thread nor most (do not like to talk in absolutes) threads. What i do is openly express my difference in opinion and request others to defend (back up) their opinions with facts and/or anything that will aid in their behalf. I am thinking of the newbies that are here to learn. I gain nothing from typing posts other than knowing someone will read my information and act upon it. In fact, my work is affected by the amount of time taken by posting. My main purpose is to give back to a site that has given much in the past. I certainly will not change my writing style for a few sensitive types. I will rarely (against absolutes) curse or insult anyone. I will certainly tell anyone their sh!t stinks if indeed it does. That goes for anyone on this forum top to bottom, member, Mod, or Admin.

Good to hear you will stand up for yourself. I do not like the sissy types nor do our dogs.

Hay caramba!

"reading a list of ingredients is one thing but actually feeding a food over a period of time and evaluating dietary results on how a dog responded to that list of ingredients is completely different."

Completely different? You start by picking a quality kibble and then observe how your dog does on it. You do not randomly pick feed and hope for the best. You need to start by learning the quality hierarchy of ingredients. Then, one needs to learn AND understand nutritional balances for sedentary and active canines.

Finally, analyze and adjust feeding according to how the dog does on it. IMHO, the major reason dogs may start to defecate puree is due to not adjusting feed according to the animal's need. "Well, I just fed according to the feeding chart". Remember that the feeding chart is an estimation given by the feed manufacturer who is in business to sell feed. The more you feed, the faster you need to buy more. This is why you need to also keep caloric amount per cup. If you were feeding 3 cups of a kibble that had 300 calories per cup and then switch to a quality kibble that provides 550 calories per cup, will you continue feeding 3 cups a day? NO, you adjust your feed according to the caloric need of the animal. If you see loose stool, rather than change to a lower quality feed, give less kibble. very simple.

Now, some dogs MAY have an allergic reaction to AN ingredient or two. That needs to be address accordingly.

So, the point of providing a list of ingredients is to show what is in the "pudding". I do not need to taste everything to know if i will like it. As long as i know the ingredients, i can make an intelligent assumption.

Each dog is different. That does not stop the AAFCO from assessing kibble feed.

I will leave you with my previous statement:

Those who know will read and know but those who do not know have to listen and follow. I read contents/values and know good from bad....how about you?

Gee BoiBoi, i hope i did not hurt your feelings.

I do not know what steps you took with your dog before reverting or just changing to another kibble from INNOVA EVO. Did you reduce the amount of kibble being fed? I can see a dog with diarrhea loosing weight. I too have had dogs with diarrhea due to over feeding. Yes, I am not inmune to error..lol. Yet, my nature is to be a problem solver.

The potato has about 620 MG of potassium which is more than bananas. Rather than ask i will say. Potassium helps the kidney process, aids in obtaining improved muscle performance by improving heart and nerve response to stimulation, and it contains a high amount of vitamin B and C.

The main reason people feed satin balls is for weight gain. For anyone curious, here is one recipe for satin balls:

(oh look, no rice....go figure)
5 pounds ground meat
5 cups Total whole grain cereal
5 cups oats (slow cooking type)
2½ cups raw wheat germ
¾ cup oil
¾ cup molasses
6 egg yolks
5 packets gelatin
2 ½ tablespoons Solid Gold Seameal supplement

Mix up, form balls, freeze, feed as treats or food supplement.

Going back to rice....

Now, when one mentions rice in kibble it needs to be clarify what kind. Is it brown rice (best of all), white rice, rice bran, rice flour, rice gluten, etc. All types of rices DO NOT provide the same nutritional value in a kibble.

Like I expressed to Osea, you can also choose to feed less of the quality kibble rather than choose to go with lower quality. I prefer feeding less of best ingredients/quality than more of mediocre ingredients/quality. Have you thought of the protein/fat ratio in a RAW diet?

 

Rocky, u can spew out as much facts about potatoes as u want it still won't change the fact that my dog and several other people's dogs that i know couldn't handle the potatoe in the diet. Oh and when i say my dog lost weight i mean because of the constant loose stool and the fact that by the time i reached the second bag of EVO he basically refused to eat it. Now u can say all the good things about the food that u want, and hell i'll even say its a great food if ur dog can handle it, but i trust my dogs instincts when he refused the food entirely.

What ur trying to say in this thread is people are basically stupid for feeding anything other than the best possible food that is on the market. Well my friend i believe what ur saying makes sense ON PAPER, however just because it looks good on paper doesn't mean it will work good in real life, i guess u could use that for bulldogs as well as the feed for the bulldogs
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I guess FACTS are not as worth noting as suppositions and exceptions to the rule. I understood and believed your dog's weight loss was caused by loose stool. Again, more than likely, you were feeding too much kibble. If i recall your dog's size correctly, he should have been fed about 2 cups a day with some variation allowance depending on metabolic rate and activity level. Any living being that suffers from loose stool due to a certain food will not desire it regardless of good taste or nutrition. He is relating the food to the suffering of going through diarrhea. At one point i used to love drinking as much milk as possible. It tasted delicious! Yet, at one point i became lactose intolerant. Therefore, i no longer desired drinking milk due to the link between it and "loose stool".

Moreover, I gave SEVERAL kibble options. I did not say, eat this particular food and none other. I give good options so that people can try them and see which is a better fit for their canine. Each dog is unique and may react differently to the feeding options. If your dog reacts negatively to the kibble, find out why. Learning what cause a negative reaction to the kibble is most important. Yet, most will just skip to the next kibble and cross their fingers. You (general sense) need to know what ingredients may/will give your dog an allergic reaction. Loose stool by itself is not a tell-tell sign of allergies. It is more likely a sign of too much feeding.

So in essence what i am trying to drive to you and anyone that will listen is that choosing the best feed for your canine is the way to go. If your dog starts to stool soft, reduce feed amount dramatically. Then, once stool is firm, gradually increase feed amount keeping close attention to stool AND weight of dog.

BoiBoi, I do not need to "try to say" anything....If i felt people were "stupid" then i would say it. I rarely think people are stupid. What I do think and people have openly admitted is that many need education in dog nutrition. This is why i post my opinions. Do I know it all? Heck no! And again, that is why i post. If i state something wrong I WANT people to point my error. Being corrected is good way to learn.

So, people will do best for their dogs when choosing one of the best kibbles in the market.

Feed ingredients is not like pedigree in that ingredients are definites and precise but genetic interaction and dominance is variable.

 

I'm new to this forum and new to pitbulls, I had samoyeds, malamutes, akitas, rots, but this is my first pit. You guys are tops when it comes to feeding knowledge, very impress. Right now I'm feeding boneless chicken w/broth and purina puppy chow. Skin is glossy and pup is very stocky. Pup is 4 mo. My question is what dry food you recomend over purina, I know is not the best, I used as a "filler", I don't want to increased my cost more than it is now, and the prices of the names you mentioned are high, maybe nutro, eukanuba, etc. Thank for the advice.

 

OK, you did not mention how much you are spending on your current kibble feed. I will assume and help you just the same.

If you are a member of Costco: Kirkland brand
If you are a member of Sam's: Exceed (never read the ingredients but was recommended by a dogman)

If you have neither: "Chicken Soup for the Dog lover's...."

 

Rocky, as a Sam's Club member, I will honestly tell you than Exceed is crap. Not just the fact that corn is a major ingredient, but there's more by-products and other fillers in there.

 

I enjoy cooking, as you can see, I was thinking in preparing weekly meals along with the chicken and broth for my pup using veggies and maybe rice and refrigerated them for daily use. I'm afraid with all the recalls. I just find out in this site that "nutro" is on the recall list. What you think? Any recipes? I'm going to cook everything to preserve them better. Is this better then the "purina filler"? Thanks for your advice.

 

I just wanted to give an update on how they are doing since the switch. Everything seems about the same as with TW with one big difference they were dumping like 4-5 times a day on TW and are down to about twice a day. I havent noticed to many other changes, but havent been doing much with them becasue the weather is still crap here, its snowing today.

 

a good inexpensive feed is canidae all life stages...or to stick to the thread try wellness puppy

 

:eek: No kidding? Glad i wrote that i did not know ingredients of it. Thank you for teaching me something. No more recommending Exceed. I thought Exceed was comparable to Kirkland's b/c each is sold exclusively by them and they are direct competitors.

 

Kirklan is made by diamond it has almost the same exact ingredints as diamond naturals lamb and rice its good if you cant afford nothing better but i wouldent feed nothing by diamond anymore i admit i use to feed it not too long ago but wont feed it agian. diamond that is never used kirklan.

 

My dogs have been eating Wellness core for about two months now. I liked the ingredients more than most of the other stuff available to me. Had to switch off the TW the dogs started doing terrible on it. Loose stools, dull coats and the like. One of them refused to eat it at all. This from dogs who have eaten TW their whole lives. Tried the Innova Evo similar results, exept for one dog who did absolutely fabulous on it. Now back to the Core. Coats are shiny and soft, stools are firm and the dogs just seem healthy overall. Like I said I've only been feeding it for two months. This being two months after the transitional stage from one feed to another. So so far so good, long term is yet to be seen. I don't care about cost as long as they do well on it. Thank you Rocky for the other suggestions I'll keep em in mind.

 

I've tried Wellness Core and its really good the down side is its just too expensive.

 

My dog hates Wellness Core. I am currently mixing in some Nature's Variety to get him to eat it.

 

That would be real nice feed right there if not for the cheese. I don't understand why they would want to put that in there like that. They even advertise it in big bold letters on their website.

 

Cheese is good.

 

^^ Hmm, I always thought cheese or any dairy product is bad for dogs. I even remember having to go to the store and getting goats milk when my dog was just a pup... Or I could just be wrong