Maliks Gr Ch I.B.M.

probably did not produce .......

 

Yes IronSike your right, I spoke with Malik(name drop) and he said he wasnt scared but IBM was...
IBM took the easy route and travelled from the northeast to the Islands to beat Nico & Max(two 4xers)...
YES, GAMBLER was the best of his time and he beat a dog named "killer" that beat the famous Butkus...
Butkus storey was told by the late Mr.Ratliff...Tom stated butkus was sold to a man that had no sense and picked up a forfiet with a two week keep but still went almost 2hrs, but Killer didnt live up to his name,WOW...
See IBM went from 47 to 51pnds and never came in over 46 with 45 being his best weight...
IBM was terrified of the Ironline and ducked all the way to the islands to avoid going in his own backyard...
IBMs offspring was terrified of the FAKE champion BOBCAT2 off GAMBLER that no reputable dogman ever seen....
IBM retired in the islands to avoid GAMBLER, because he knew the IRONLIE would sink if it tried to float again...
MIKE my friend you clearly won this one making the old ACE GAMBLER an official GRANDpaCHAMPION...
You keep throwing names out there (Floyd,Jack,Mr.Bill,Freddy etc...)but they cant keep you afloat...
Lets face it this was a once in a lucky lifetime dog... Most will never own one...
IBM was an ACE...The last ACE Ironline had was????
You been breeding since 19hundred and fucking sixtynine???
Damn near a half a century ,Name a single dog you produced that has IBMs accomplishments???
NOW SINK OR SWIM, THE PROOF IS IN THE PADDLE NOT THE PASO MY FRIEND...

 

Makes me wonder why Malik would go the islands instead of taking an easy mark right around his area? 2 4xw does make everyone wonder why go elsewhere when you have a champion you can go into without traveling. I'm mean why not if he was soooooooo easy? After going after the 2 4xws what was the excuse the third time the offer was made? Hell G collect 4 forfeits. BTW Nico came from the islands to NY. Now who was it again who bought Nico and he went uphill into? I'll check my records but something about this story does seems right. I'll BB about this. Man, talk about stupid and excuses you have them all. First off Ch. Gambler never went into "Killer" he went into Untouchables' Leroy who beat Killer. Tom never sold Butkus until after he lost and was old. If you going to tell lies at least try to get some what straight because everyone can look up who each dog went into. Both dogs (IBM & G) were 46 lbs. Though when talking to Mr. Bill, as everyone can, he will tell you Ch. Gambler went up hill in all his matches. Bobcat 2 fake? ROTFLMMFAO @ U too many of us watched him on video which is floating around were won 4x in the deep south of MS. I suppose Ch. Peeler was fake too? His reports were fake in SDJ? Then all anyone had to do is make the call and got that easy money from those alleged fake winners! Mike don't need those people to make anything float. Are you serious? Aces? Malik had one dog and far from being an Ace dog. That is it. Only a fool like you would make a stupid statement asking a question like that from a person who owned grand champions, champions and R.O.M. dogs. BTW stupid that is when stated with that line of dogs produced. It wasn't the first stock owned. There others before 1969. BTW that dog would have been Gr. Ch. Koko where she was reported in both SDJ but also Pit Dog Report but I realize a greenhorn like yourself it was before your time. Just like the old pictures of the R.O.M. 4xw Spike & the 5xw appearing Strattons books. Name one dog the quality of these dogs IMB ever produced like the dogs the R.O.M. dogs produced. Maybe if they knew how IBM was really bred and bred him back to Paul's stock as wrote before of the public, he might produced a yardshitter like himself. Now instead of dick riding off someone else's dog how about what you had, anything since you think so little of the Ironline dogs. What was that? NADA! Just what we thought. The crew will hit one of the islands before to long and you will hear about when we come and you can have that chance to spend what ever you have pasos etc. Talk is cheap lets see how much you have to spend in the real world.

 

:clap2: Right on.

 

if you know how much that happen .......traveling just for NOT to meet the one from around the corner
some even cros oceans to duck it

 

Still didnt name one dog with IBMs record...KOKO BEAT WHO???
NICOs match was in P.R.,He beat Blackhawks champion WILLIE in NY...
Every champion he beat also beat a champion...
C2k might not understand what being an ace calibre dog intels...
Not winning in your backyard against untitled dogs...
Ill be the first to tell you I havnt been initiated to the "club" of Ironline understudies and dont know all the FUNFACTs
but i can tell you that IBM ducked no one and beat 3 champions up and down the coast...
c2K, The ship your on never made it out to sea..."BIGGER FISH TO FRY IN THE OCEAN MY FRIEND"
To relate in old times,IBMs like a shiney new 12" full LP with three classic hits and Gambler record is like an OLD 8" SINGLE WITH A BIG OLD WHOLE IN THE MIDDLE...
I CAN ADMIRE A DOGMAN THAT CAN ADMIRE OTHERS ACCOMPLISHMENTS,COMPRENDE???
"CUT US DOWN TO BUILD YOURSELF UP BUT WATCH OUT FOR THE WATER"....
IBM along with his sire the 4X1XCracker joined the legends of Carvers Ironhaead retiring and being buried on the same Island...NOT COINSIDENT...

 

Lets see now, you been on this since Jan of this year already posted 369 posts. I'll bet everyone on here is glad you finally made it for everyone to get your knowledge what YOU had done.
BTW what was that again?

Oh ya meant to say Gr. Ch. Joey is one who has a better known record and that is just off the top of my head.
I don't understand, I know I would more then happy to explain this to you!
Fun facts lol so cute for a child. Oh if you can't read Gr. Ch. Koko reports in Pit Dog Report of SDJ I'm sure someone can read them for you.
Well I'm here to let everyone know IBM wasn't open to the world and did duck Ch. Gambler.
I like fry fish too, try me Elisapisola, the best part is gutting those big whales. Records aren't on play, as in this case, IMB on 16, G on 78.
It must really kill you to be reminded of all this. Having the big legend dog and there was one dog out there who was head hunting him and knowing he couldn't bet and chose to run clear out the country instead meeting with him. LOL
No one needs to cut anyone down, but it is nice now and then to read the real truth on Internet forums.
With these dogs mentioned, you were no where around, I was. BTW still am.

Now we can exchange barbs all day long, cute in the cyber world, down deep, in the real world, you know how to make it happen or don't you? Poser?

 

KUKU FOR KOKO PUPS...KOKO BEAT WHO,WHERE,HMMM...Your whale dont hold wieght...
I know theres other greats such as Joey with outstanding records,but Joey was a FREAK,not an ACE as theres a difference my friend...Most true freaks can crush a ace...Gambler was niether...
I never claimed to be a dogman but rather a neverending student of the breed, Ive always asked WHY???
Luckily Ive met some good people who answered and I got to pick and choose what I like and agree with...
IBM deserves praise wheter you your dan and your girl agree or NOT...
Some bullshit breeder with nothing to brag about MUST stoop so low to try and take away anothers MERRITS...
Dont impress me much and his little followers are less credible too blind to see thru the bullskip...
Not saying he dont do alot for the breed that would be put in a higher light if he wasnt on such a high horse that he discredits others...NOW FUCK OFF AND FIND ANOTHER THREAD YOU SPECULATORS...
THE ONE AND ONLY ACE IBM, HIS SIRE AND GREAT GREAT GREAT SIRE CARVERS IRONHEAD BURIED IN V.I.
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1141] :: MALIK'S IBM
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1139] :: DOUCET'S CRACKER
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [25124] :: CARVER'S IRONHEAD

 

does anyone have a story about Red Girl?

 

If I go back in time and bitch up to either one of them.... it wouldn't be a hard decision.... IBM.... no question about it.

 

I'm with JayW... No doubt about it! IBM

 

I'd take Gambler....in a heartbeat.

 

Look at his father Crackers merrits, not to mention all the greats that came down from Crackers sire Laub'Jessie.
Busy was picked up game against STPs ch MISS RAGE(sis to ch Cholly boy and dam to ch Black paz jr.)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [28179] :: MALIK'S BIZZY 2X1XL
Its funny c2k related IBMs record to his COUSIN JOEY...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [56827] :: Road Blocks Joey
not to mention...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [178498] :: CH TAZ
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [370561] :: <B>KELLY'S YOUNG CHINA BOY</B>
The late great Norman Kemmer utilized it crossed to his Macho dogs...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [13829] :: JIMMY GARNER`S & KEMMER'S KATIE
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [13831] :: <font color=green>MAD'S KING (2XW)</font>
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [176902] :: MOTOR CITY GRAVE DIGGER'S (KING SOLOMON)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [22242] :: MAD'S KING (2xw)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [66879] :: SHADY DAYS COACHESE
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [22241] :: MAD'S ROTO (3XW-2B.I.S)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [183938] :: KEMMERS CH GOAT
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [179380] :: BRING DA PAIN KENNELS BUTTONS (4XW)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [499741] :: PABLO'S BLACK MASK
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [43586] :: <FONT COLOR = GREEN>KEMMER'S (AKA TROMLEY'S) WHISKEY (2XW) </FONT>
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [67783] :: LAZANA'S CHEZ
Just a few down from Jessie the Cataylist...

 

Look at his father Crackers merrits, not to mention all the greats that came down from Crackers sire Laub'Jessie.
Busy was picked up game against STPs ch MISS RAGE(sis to ch Cholly boy and dam to ch Black paz jr.)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [28179] :: MALIK'S BIZZY 2X1XL
Its funny c2k related IBMs record to his COUSIN JOEY...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [56827] :: Road Blocks Joey
not to mention...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [178498] :: CH TAZ
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [370561] :: <B>KELLY'S YOUNG CHINA BOY</B>
The late great Norman Kemmer utilized it crossed to his Macho dogs...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [13829] :: JIMMY GARNER`S & KEMMER'S KATIE
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [13831] :: <font color=green>MAD'S KING (2XW)</font>
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [176902] :: MOTOR CITY GRAVE DIGGER'S (KING SOLOMON)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [22242] :: MAD'S KING (2xw)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [66879] :: SHADY DAYS COACHESE
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [22241] :: MAD'S ROTO (3XW-2B.I.S)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [183938] :: KEMMERS CH GOAT
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [179380] :: BRING DA PAIN KENNELS BUTTONS (4XW)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [499741] :: PABLO'S BLACK MASK
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [43586] :: <FONT COLOR = GREEN>KEMMER'S (AKA TROMLEY'S) WHISKEY (2XW) </FONT>
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [67783] :: LAZANA'S CHEZ
Just a few down from Jessie the Cataylist...

 

Ch. Gambler was open to the world. Was advertised in SDJ as the best dog in the world at his weight. Was a straight KILLER... What is the argument here???

 

This will be my last post on the topic. I know neither dog. This is just a simple observation. These are facts.

1. Ibm-gambler never happened
2. Both were great dogs. (Allegedly)
3. One side is here cheering their opinion
4. Only facts "known" by all is it never happene
5. This was not a post about gambler.

I will now post my opinion. No one knows who the better dog is. Let's just say it actually happened. How could anyone know the outcome? You could think you know or feel strongly you know but until it happens you just don't know. Experienced people would know this is true.

People that run around claiming everyone ducked them are the same people that come up with every excuse when a dog hands them there ass.

Just because a person pays a forfeit does not meen they ducked you and just because a person didn't go into to you does not mean you had the better dog

In these dogs you should only trust what you see and can verify and not what someone you think you should be able to trust tells you.
Learn the difference between fact and opinion and if you want to talk about your great dog start your own thread.

 

Kemmer wasnt the only well known dogman cossing thier blood with Laubs Jessie...
The Kingish Kid and D.Adams as well as others had success crossing it to thier old Masons Hog/Kingfish blood...
AND YES FEBAL FOLLOWERS, SOME REAL RED DEVIL BLOOD(not the stuff purchased in stores...)...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [342595] :: GETTO BABIES KATO
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [14669] :: JONE'S JOSH
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1386] :: KINGFISH KID'S SPANKY
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [326339] :: KID CARPENTER LIL SPANKY ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [153019] :: BLUM'S KNUCKELS
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [352093] :: SWEET'S JR
Not to many know that WSks TIGER LIL had a sister that won four or five, big ol bitch at c.w....
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [74163] :: OGP'S TISH

 

Kemmer wasnt the only well known dogman cossing thier blood with Laubs Jessie...
The Kingish Kid and D.Adams as well as others had success crossing it to thier old Masons Hog/Kingfish blood...
AND YES FEBILE FOLLOWERS, SOME REAL RED DEVIL BLOOD(not the stuff purchased in stores...)...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [342595] :: GETTO BABIES KATO
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [14669] :: JONE'S JOSH
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1386] :: KINGFISH KID'S SPANKY
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [326339] :: KID CARPENTER LIL SPANKY ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [153019] :: BLUM'S KNUCKELS
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [352093] :: SWEET'S JR
Not to many know that WSks TIGER LIL had a sister that won four or five, big ol bitch at c.w....
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [74163] :: OGP'S TISH

 

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [342595] :: GETTO BABIES KATO
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [40744] :: DOUBLEWIDE'S SPIDERMAN
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [75665] :: BCC'S FREAK (3XW)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [427506] :: MR.ROGERS' CROOKED
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [56828] :: RD. BLOCKS Maniac
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [33044] :: 305 BOYS KENNEL'S CHICKEN GEORGE
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [15156] :: CLARK LUCY III
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [135625] :: <B><FONT COLOR=RED>CH BDCK'S TRUMP
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [330015] :: CHEROKEE KENNELS BETTY 2
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [179360] :: LONG ROAD KENNEL'S B.J.
Sure Like those Laubs Jessie/ART dogs crossed to the Dirty Mary dogs...
C2K made a wis observation in that both grand champions ,THE ACE IBM and THE FREAK JOEY had similar record since he really couldnt find one down from the IRONLINE that HELD WATER...
JOEY is a better comparison, both greats ...If we could hop in Danny Bs time machine and go back to 1975...
WHO WOULD YOU BREED TO???THE ACE IBM OR HIS COUSIN ,THE FREAK JOEY???
Gamblers credentials are too weak to be included in this poll like, followers ride IRONLINEs POLE...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1141] :: MALIK'S IBM ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [56827] :: Road Blocks Joey
Two very similar pedigrees of ELI blood by the way of Grady Cummings crossed to the gr ch ART blood...
Both thier sires titled and lost game to credible individuals...
One thing for sure is breeding to any grandson of Laubs Jessie will give your blood the cataylist it needs...
MISSED THAT BOAT IRONLINE...

 

ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [342595] :: GETTO BABIES KATO
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [40744] :: DOUBLEWIDE'S SPIDERMAN
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [75665] :: BCC'S FREAK (3XW)
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [427506] :: MR.ROGERS' CROOKED
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [56828] :: RD. BLOCKS Maniac
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [33044] :: 305 BOYS KENNEL'S CHICKEN GEORGE
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [15156] :: CLARK LUCY III
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [135625] :: <B><FONT COLOR=RED>CH BDCK'S TRUMP
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [330015] :: CHEROKEE KENNELS BETTY 2
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [179360] :: LONG ROAD KENNEL'S B.J.
Sure Like those Laubs Jessie/ART dogs crossed to the Dirty Mary dogs...
C2K made a wis observation in that both grand champions ,THE ACE IBM and THE FREAK JOEY had similar record since he really couldnt find one down from the IRONLINE that HELD WATER...
JOEY is a better comparison, both greats ...If we could hop in Danny Bs time machine and go back to 1975...
WHO WOULD YOU BREED TO???THE ACE IBM OR HIS COUSIN ,THE FREAK JOEY???
Gamblers credentials are too weak to be included in this poll like, followers ride IRONLINEs POLE...
ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [1141] :: MALIK'S IBM ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [56827] :: Road Blocks Joey
Two very similar pedigrees of ELI blood by the way of Grady Cummings crossed to the gr ch ART blood...
Both thier sires titled and lost game to credible individuals...
One thing for sure is breeding to any grandson of Laubs Jessie will give your blood the cataylist it needs...
MISSED THAT BOAT IRONLINE...