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<!-- / main error message -->Well said, ABK.

 

just making sure.i dont want to make anyone mad,especially an evil one.

 

Just curious, what is this word gamey??I have heard it used a couple times on this board and it is a new term for me. As for the lar-san dogs, it is common knowledge that they have been used for conf. shows for a while. Mrs. Comer(Sandy) used to use these dogs, but I don't know if still does. It is a good line of show dogs and is basicly comprised of OFRN(hemphill/clouse) blood.

 

Gamey is the just another word for drivey. It just sounds cooler if you say your dog acts gamey instead of saying it's high drive. lol.

As for Mrs. Comer, she passed away a few years ago.

 

ABK you're cracking me up with some great posts

 

Sorry, I was at a show this weekend. Now I feel like I missed the bus, because ABK said quite a bit for me. (Thanks, BTW.)

As far as gamedogs being gamedogs, let me once again spell out how I feel. Do WTF you want with your dogs. I d.o.n.t. c.a.r.e. Its when others say "you can't breed good dogs without matching them" that the fool comes out in me. You want to stay in the shadows and bitch at people doing legal stuff to prove the worth of their program, fine. I like what I do, and don't need anyone's verification, thanks.

Just an ETA: At every agility trial we've gone to, we've been the one and only Pit Bull in the ring. While people stop and watch the little fuzzy dogs run, even more stop to watch Loki and I run. And even when we don't do so great, like this weekend, she's still proof positive that the breed can do these things. I've heard it said that the gamebred APBT takes a backseat to no dog, and I would love to see them come out for these things and prove everyone wrong. (Same with the obedience ring. The only other Pit Bulls I ever see belong to a local lady who uses mostly rescue dogs and -- gasp! -- AmStaffs. And they usually beat the pants off the other breeds there.)

ETA ETA: The definition of the word hypocrite:

a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, esp. a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

So the day you catch me matching dogs is the day you can call me a hypocrite. :p

 

actually I was talking about haveing "gamey" as in DA! I was not talking aboutjust drive. Also there are are several difeerent drives too.


Thanks

Tony

 

I think we're getting the definition of drive mixed up. What I am referring to is called "dog drive" (DA) & a dog who has a lot of dog drive is also sometimes called "being gamey."

 

The pet bull people on other boards use the term "gamey". Meaning if there dog continually plays with a toy and then tires itself out it is gamey.

 

I get that PP, prolly why I attempted it LOL . I can feed an own an exceptional dog that breaks away from it's mold....doesnt mean I have to breed it. LOL

 

Truer words have never been spoken. There are far to many of our dogs out there not doin squat than to breed up another experimental litter from two parents who don't work. This is in whatever field youre in with your dogs. It gets tiring to see people building pretty peds of non-workers. "his great-grandpa was dg!". Yeah, but what has he done? No matter what direction you take you dogs, you should at least put them to task. Or not advertise them as such. Id rather see ten Loki's out there competing then 100 non-working descendants of one bad-ass dog. The next gen of bulldog owners needs to see that too. Working dogs, earning their keep. You dont have to win at an event either, just show up and that speaks volumes about our dogs. Make sure you bring a well behaved one though. Don't be THAT guy/gal!

 

JMO..If you don't know, don't act like you do. There are people on here that talk like they really know what they are talking about, but to those that do know its obvious they don't..Its a shame that some trying to learn may listen to these idiots advise.

 

Ok, I havent looked at this thread for a while with good reason. I couldnt stand it anymore so I took a gander. I will keep my dogs behind closed doors to JQP because IM NOT A FUCKING IDIOT! Go ahead and breed your pretty little show dogs and I'll breed my "useless" little go dogs. Go win lots of pretty ribbons and trophies and decorate your house with them. I'll be totally satisfied with nothing but my peace of mind. YOURS IN SPORT, DJ.

 

Its a whole lot more rewarding than just the ribbons buddy.

Like stated earlier, getting out there and showing, pulling, agility, obiedence,etc...allows us to reveal to the unknowing public, a positive image. I really like what i heard earlier, these so called ribbon happy people...might be the ones that actually save the breed one day.

I cant speak for all, but i know getting a dog ready for a show is a tremendous amt. of work. I do not starve down dogs to look the part. We spend countless hours working. So to be honest... the ribbons are just that ribbons. They dont mean shit. However, all that working & bonding with the dogs does mean something. And if i can change one persons mind about these dogs...then that is just fine for me.

I respect the history of the APBT. However, times have changed. I guess i will just have to be content with what my dogs can do in the ring.

 

Absolutely. As you should. I understand what its like to get a dog ready for show. I understand ALL the hours that go into getting a dog in shape. Are you insinuating that I starve my dogs down to make them look the part of "in shape"? You must be outside your mind. Ive gotten plenty of blisters on my hands and feet messing with these dogs. All Im saying is do your thing and I'll do mine. Just don't be so damned self rightious. Dont take good game dogs and breed them up with dogs who dont have the same interests. Thats where the thread went a little ways back and thats all Im saying. Sorry for keeping this OT.

 

I do understand what you are saying. There is a difference as I was saying. There are some, a few, but some "show" dogs that have go. It may not be as go as the dogs you guys and gals have but they have some. I am by no means trying to say that the dogs of either side are any better than the other.

If you are refering to me thats fine. I will not sit here and tell you I know a lot about this breed. I was introduced to them a few years back and have really fallen in love with this breed. I have also learned about the gamedog side of them as well. I am a newbie and will admit it. I will not sit here and tell anyone something that "I" have not experienced myself. If have not experienced myself I try my very best not to give any advice. So you want to talk in a broad talk directly to who you are referring to and not just in general!!

Tony

 

GBDJ,

I show gamebred dogs, I've never finished one but none the less. I show up to support my breed and my local club. If I'm ever in the florida area for a show, i would be happy to show one of your dogs for you.

 

Heck NO! Was not insinuating that you starve down your dogs at all. It just seemed you dislike the fact that people show dogs. FOR DUMB RIBBONS. And i do not consider myself self rightious. I just say what i feel. And i agree with "do your thing and I'll do mine". However, your the one that was knocking people that show dogs for ribbons. And also if you followed your own advice...you would not be so upset about people breeding mutts to gamedogs. But you do stress your concerns for it, because you know all of the hard work people have put into breeding standards. Just like i was rubbed the wrong way...when you made the remarks about dog showing.

Note; I do understand that your statement was aimed at the people wanting to cross show lines into game ones. IMO too many people are tying to be breeders overnight period. This shit takes yrs of exp. I have tons of people stop me while walking the dogs...asking you wanna breed that bitch to my male....and look down seeing a 90lb dog with a 30lb chain around its neck. Its comical, and sad at the same time.

 

I don't understand why people can't just let each other be. I have never once told someone breeding gamedogs that they should be doing something different, just that I'm not going that route. But I regularly have to listen to bullshit from these hardcore little Internet assholes that I'm wrecking the breed through what I do. If I breed one of my dogs because I feel they exemplify what I want to be perpetuating, who gives a fuck? Whose business is it, aside from mine and those who have direct ties to my dogs?

Guarantee, I can clean up my own messes, and rely on no one to save me. If I were on here begging for advice and money for vet bills, posting about yard accidents, showing off new litters all the time, not accounting for where my current dogs are, I could understand the attitude. But to be condescending to everyone who has a different opinion is just asinine. What are you so afraid of? If you aren't trying to buy a dog from me, why do you care what I breed? Its not your reputation on the line, and according to some of you, its not even your breed, so why can't you let it be?

I'm not jumping off any cliffs while blaming someone else for pushing me. I make my own choices, and I stand by them because I believe in them. If you want to hate me for that, I consider it a damn fine reason to be hated, so fire away.

 

What is more idiotic? Hiding your dogs away like a criminal & thus re-inforcing the public's view that they are dangerous animals owned by shady ppl, or taking them to public functions so they can be seen as the great dogs owned by great owners that they/we are?

I breed game bred dogs thank you. If you will review my peds you will see no "show" bred dogs.

I have news for you GBDJ. Unless you actually DO something w/ your dogs (besides use them for "go" activities) JQP WILL see your dogs as usless & good for nothing but fighting & THEY WILL KILL THEM. Why can't you see that?

I'll try. But as another poster mentioned it's not asbout ribbons. It's about putting out a POSITIVE BREED IMAGE.

I can't see how. I mean how can one have peace of mind when you know you're doing a disservice to the breed you allegedly love? But oh well, to each his own ...