Truth Or Myth

I also want it to be known that I am NOT putting down working terriers..I admire those little dogs for their tenacity and prey drive..

 

OHHHHHHHHHH I'll say it!
Any one who truly thinks a Patterdale or a Jack Russell is gamer then a Pit Dog is more full of crap then a Christmas Turkey!

The animal they hunt only fights back against these dogs for survival.
A Pit Dog fights for dominance!

 

It was the way YOU worded it, by the statement I made there is no way I am saying any or some of the APBTs I have seen are not game, Ill tell you when I think one is not game, but first off you need to study your big cats bro, I know what a cat can do to a dog I have seen it, from bobcats to mountain lions so I dont need a crash course of when and how a cat goes into shock or what a dog will do to it...Gameness is not in terms of only one dog on another dog or just 1 certain animal, it is definable to any prey a dog has been trianed and bred to hunt, like I said compared to another dog a Patterdale is shit but when theyre on their favorite prey the gameness they exhibit is par exellence and second to none, just because theyre not like that on another dog does not mean they are not GAME...really before you decide who would brush me off or consider me anything from what I say understand I am talking about...I am referring to gameness in the dogs paticular element not compared to each other...thats a stupid comparison... and when you make certain comments about this or that or what would happen or what I have seen in dogs... it really shows me you probaly have never seen a dog hunt or get involved in something with a big cat or feral hog or anything big enough to fight back like even another dog because it doesnt alway just boom whap TA-DA go the bulldogs way everytime, I am sure there is some members here who have lost a game dog to a big cat or big male hog or something, just because its a game dog dont guarantee victory....and just because I am educated to compare the definition of gameness between 2 breeds of game dog does not mean I have not seen good game APBTs I can just see differences in gameness among what the breed was bred for and to me its different....

 

The APBT is hands down the ultimate dog with no close runners to catch up ..
But pit dogs dont fight for dominance rotts do as a matter of fact all dogs will fight for dominance a pit dog will fight for the love of the fight .If they did fight for dominance there would be no finish in them..

 

Well said!

 

Very well said, i couldnt have said it better.

 

No way to know... maybe some dogs were bred and other not, then they were bred again and again with pure or not pure ones... there's just no way to know... I do believe that IF the American Pit Bull (real ones please) have blood of terriers, it is less than 50%... no Pit Dog are even closer to a temperament of a Terrier (and i'm talking about "traditional stuff")... I don't care if the dogs hang its teeth to another one, this a rottweiller can do too...

Greetings and happy new year.

 

LOL ya right! LMAO
Throw one in with a Pit Dog and see if it fights to dominate or will be fighting for survival. ROTFL.

Pit Dogs don't fight because of the love of it, they fight because it is instinctive.

BTW VERY few dogs are finishers.
Only a fool would bet on one scratching on a down or dead dog...

 

IM you have been around a long damn time, you are a funny guy.

 

" I have personally seen patterdales from old bobcat hunting lines in kansas that were more game in my opinion than any APBT I have ever seen."

My good man these are your words..How did I word it any different from what YOU typed?.
Secondly I feel no need to study up any more than I already have on the feline species..I have always been a fan of big cats and have watched many a documentary on all of the different varieties so I know how they hunt and kill their prey..
You also have a very different interpitation of the word gameness than I do..What you call gameness I call prey drive..To each his own I guess..

As I stated early I dont have any hands on expirience with working terriers or hunting dogs but I have seen footage of a few different boar hunts and I was not that impressed..EVERY catch dog that I saw would catch a ear and hang on..EVERY trail dog that I saw would circle menacingly,and sometimes dart in and snip but thats about it..That does not impress me in the least bit as far as gameness goes..People are risking their lives as well as their dogs life so I do have respect for those that participate in such activities, I just dont think that it tests a dogs gameness..

 

Well, i think APBT and working terriers play on different leagues. We all know how game a bulldog can be but there are underground hunting and terriers are masters that never quit, can and will face stronger opponents and keep going on.

About original post, i can see some benefits from terrier blood on old bulldogs but not on the 50/50 formula most think and not from all the strains that came to america, but we'll never know.

 

Well.....everyone who knows this kind of dogs REALLY.....
calls them Bulldogs. I think that tells us something.
Another point is you get never wire-hairy dogs from a real Bulldogline but the real old game-Terriers were all wire-hairy.....something to think about...

I think if Bulldogs have some terrierblood than MAYBE up to 6-8 %....

The funny thing is that all Terriers have a good dash Bulldogblood.....thatswhy you have short-hairy terriers with a fine muscle-tone...

 

Not arguing with your post just wanted to say that many dogs are mislabeled. The Doberman Pinscher for example is no terrier at all yet it's name would suggest that. Pinscher meaning terrier in German.

 

I'm glad someone brought this up. It's real different for a dog to go after an animal who's only thought is survival. Sure that animal will fight if it has to, but it's very different when that dogs starts to see that his opponent wants the fight as much as they do and is gonna keep coming right at em. That's when gameness comes out.

 

And Just because an animal is game doesn't mean it's dead game. Just because it's dead doesn't make it dead game. This term gets thrown around too much.

 

Well Fancier, we cross paths again.....

YIS
Rago:p

 

LOL YOU DONT KNOW SHIT HAHAHAHA

 

Do you know who IM is? Do you know what the initials stands for..? Do you know how long he has been around...? Do you know who you just insulted....? :rolleyes: You obviously "DONT KNOW SHIT"

 

Lol............................

 

See if I really sit down and ask myself this question I get caught up on the fact that you just stated, comparing gameness to dogs that fight dogs and dogs that fight cats or bears or whatever is hard, but I guarantee to you the animal they are fighting dont always just fight for survival, some cats and bears really aint that scared and dont worry too much. But the more I think about it the more I think about the words involved, like lets use this scenario. I always defined Patts or Karelians or whatever from the "prey" they hunt as game or not when theyre in action but lets assk this if a dog "proved" game on a bear or cat or whatever but quit in a fight with another dog and turned tail or stood teh line it couldnt be called game period right? So if the same Patterdales I seen that would go till they died on a bobcat but would not fight back for more than a few minutes even with a APBT their size can what tehy exibit even be called game or is it really just a part of their brain thats been programmed? Trust me I have seen game bulldogs a plenty but the more I think about it is the more I think maybe I overlooked something because I never have seen a game dog choose when and when not to be game nomatter what theyre fighting....food for thought and I been thinking about this a lot the past couple days...because after all gameness and prey drive have to be linked somewhere genetically so its mind boggling...