Tudors Dibo The Ultimate Bully!!

I wonder if I am the only one that thinks this. But when I look at pics of DIBO he looks like a modern day Bully. Not like the fit thinner game dogs of today (or of that time). I know he was a great producer of game dogs and was game himself. Does anyone know what his weight was during his prime? How did he look so big and bully (He looks more Bully than a RE dog) when his ancestors (Feeley line) were smaller looking dogs? Stratton described Dibo dogs of having a "double jointed hock" similar to Bully dogs of today. Look at Dibo's head and body structure? A Bully before his time!!
Any thoughts on this?

 

I know what you are trying to say but I disagree.

 

To me, there's a big difference between a dog bred for work that happens to turn out large and bully-ish and a dog bred only to be "big and bully." Just my .02.

 

Tudor's Dibo was a three time winner at 44 lbs. He wasn't big, nor was he bully.


Interesting tidbit: his original name was "Dumbo". Earl changed it to "Dibo".

 

I knew about the DUMBO thing from Strattons book. But I couldn't find anything on weight? Where did you get that stat from?

 

He looks a little more stocky than you would expect, but nothing like the RE type dogs of today. He was, as was said earlier a dog that was bred to work and just happened to be stocky. He still looked trim and his legs were of a functional length...thus not like todays bullies...At most he looks a bit like a staffy, but he doesn't aproach bullyness...just my opinion on the matter.

 

I think that he has a big head for his body and maybe that is where you got your conclusion from. Besides that I dont see much bully there.

 

Tudor's "Jeff"

 

Tudor's "Jeff"
also looks like a bully

 

I think I read somewhere that Tudor favored "stockyer" dogs. I also have herd it said from some who knew Tudor in his older age that Tudor *said* one should cross in EB to add gameness.

But this is Dibo's (pronounced DIE-BO) story

The Dibo line descended from the inbred Lloyd's Pilot ( Pilot was bred at the "Red Lion Inn" in Birmingham, England and imported by Charles "Cockney Charlie" Lloyd, of Manhattan, New York City ) strain of Con Feeley of Chicago which was then selectively bred by Joe Corvino, also of Chicago and resulted in 2 key dogs, Corvino's Gimp ( Dibo's Great-Grandsire) and his litter brother Corvino's Shorty. Dibo also had some influence from the powerful strain of Frank Henry of Marietta, Ohio whose blood centered around his "Richmond" dog which was imported from Wolverhampton, England. This Richmond blood was blended with Lloyd's Pilot blood of W.T. Delihant and great aces such as Swineford's Ch King Paddy, Henry's Ch Black Brandy, Tudor's Gr Ch Black Jack and his much-feared son Peterson's Gr Ch Black Jack, Jr. resulted. Gr Ch Black Jack, Jr. was out of Cunningham's Nellie, a pure Henry bitch descended from Richmond. A daughter of Gr Ch Black Jack, Jr. was then bred to the imported Irish "Old Family" gamedog Bill Shipley's Red Jerry owned by Shipley of Texas who maintained a breeding partnership with Irishman Jim Corcoran. This breeding yielded the bitch Tudor's Goldie, a devastating pit dog which Joe Corvino bought from Earl Tudor and incorporated into his breeding program, which ultimately resulted in Dibo.
Dibo's dam was Ed Ritcheson's Bambi. Bambi, also known as Heinzl's Bambi, was sired by Ritcheson's Spike and she was out of Ritcheson's Spotty. A novice by the name of W. D. Smith acquired Bambi and made the breeding to Wiz Hubbard's Bounce. Smith eventually sold Dibo, as a pup, to a man named Jensen who only wanted a pet for his son. The young boy named his pet Dumbo, but tired of him and wished for a collie, as Lassie was popular at that time. Jensen then contacted Mr. Heinzl in regard to trading Dumbo for a collie pup. Howard Heinzl knew Bounce and Bambi were good individuals, but still had his doubts as one of Bounce's sisters were questionable, and Bambi was cold. The trade was made and Dumbo went home with Howard Heinzl and stayed, where he would follow Mr. Heinzl and stayed out of the reach of the other chained dogs on the yard for about two years.

Earl Tudor visited Heinzl's yard and took a liking to Dumbo. Mr. Heinzl offered Mr. Tudor any dog on his yard, trying to convince him to purchase a good dog. In spite of everything, Tudor took Dumbo home and changed his name to Dibo. Dibo was stolen shortly after and was sold to a black restaurant owner, who named him Runt, Frank Ferris later changed all the incorrect papers. The pup wouldn't hit a lick until it was 2 1/2 years old, but when it did, it was an ace dog from that day forward! Floyd Boudreaux and William Burley owned a good brindle dog named Buzz on halves. They had to pull this pup off Buzz in :18 minutes as he wrecked Buzz in short order. Floyd matched him at 39 lbs. into a 40 lb. dog and won the contest in style and short order. He used his dad's Man dog 6 weeks later and matched into Gaboon Trahan and his highly regarded Country Boy dog, gave him a pound and beat him in :33 minutes. Tudor got Dibo back from the gentleman and by the age of four, Dibo had finally turned on and eventually became a three time winner at 44 lbs. His performance record is minute in comparison to his ability to produce.



He's sired:
Tudor's White Rock 4X winner Tudor's Spike 4X winner
Tudor's Jeff 3X winner Trahan's Blackie 3X winner
McCraw's Snowball Harrel's Topper 5X winner
Heinzl's Polly Ed Crenshaw's Buck
Edward's Sam Carver's Cracker
Start (Haye's) Cry Baby 4X winner Boudreaux' Blind Billyand the list goes on.

 

I wouldn't dare go so far as to say "bully" but Dibo and Jeff were definitely stocky/Staff looking. So were/are other gamebred dogs; like Giroux' Booger, Ross' Red Devil, Honeycutt's Slingshot, etc.

Because looks don't matter when breeding performance dogs, you can end up with all sorts of weird looking creatures, lol.

Also, remember, pictures can be deceiving...

 

IMO they don't look like bullies to me. Their legs are too long, as are their muzzles. Nor are their chests wide enough & their heads aren't round enough. Further, their weights are in the traditional range of about 45 lbs.

JMHO ...

 

I heard of Tudor's Jeff but never seen a picture of him. Your right he looked like a Bully!

 

Here are side comparisons of Dibo and a Bully.
Here is a side shot of DIBO which is my fav pic of him. Here is a side shot of Gottiline Monster (BULLY)
What are your opinions? Obviously Dibo is more in leaner. Look at the gut area of him. Compared to the Bully. But could that just be because he was game and kept in shape? Whereas the Bully was not. What if Dibo was just an inhouse dog that ate whatever and whenever he wanted? What if the BULLY was kept in shape?

Dibo gets much deserved respect because what he did and his ability to produce good dogs. I've seen pics of some of his offspring like "Spike", and they were also head turners!

 

Why is it that everyone is always wanting to compare bulldogs to them things,i honestly don't understand it.now we are going so far as to take one of the better dogs in history and compare him with a mongrel dog.this stuff makes my blood boil,true he looks larger but he wasn't all that large when you seen him in person.and i caan 100% guarentee you he was not a bully,he was 100% bulldog in every sense of the word,would i rank him as best? no but he was damn good.

I don't know if you own bullys or not,but don't go comparing tried and true gamedogs to them things.it just makes my blood boil.if you have bullys just accept the fact you have mongrels and treat them right.they are not bulldogs and please quit trying to compare them to bulldogs.

 

I agree Old Timer.

Again, to me Dibo looks nothing like Monster. Monster is short, squatter, fatter, heavier shouldered, heavier boned, more big headed & more short muzzled. The two just don't compare.

Are their varince in pit bulls? Sure. Some are tall & lean & some are shorter & stockier. But no short & stocky pit bull I have seen could ever be mistaken for a bully. No matter how you cut it, bullies are just horses of a different color.

renegade, just love your bullies for what they are - bullies. With all due respect, they are not purebred pit bulls, nor will they ever be purebred pit bulls, no matter how much you would like to convince people otherwise.

 

Dibo gets much deserved respect because what he did and his ability to produce good dogs. I've seen pics of some of his offspring like "Spike", and they were also head turners![/QUOTE]
My quote from ealier.

No disrespect. Just comparing him to other dogs. IMO he has a look that most dogs in his time did not have. I thought that the 1st time I opened Strattons book and looked at all the photos of old time dogs. If someone had a dog today that looked like Dibo, They'd get shitted on by the game dog community. Because he doesn't look like the game dogs of today. Calling him a mongrel, Staff, cur, etc. Obviously Dibo gets respect because who he was and what he did.

 

i agree that you can end up with various inconsistencies as far as weight and size. and if we were to nit pick the whole situation, Dibo doesn't really fit the conformation standard (as of today's). nor do i think he did back then. but his gameness was never in doubt nor do i think Tudor really bred for conformation. he bred for what was the most desirable trait and got exactly that. game. as for the looks of a certain dog, what is the intrigue here? sure we all have certain color patterns we may like, but i personally think we all who breed with some sort of ethics, don't breed for color or size. i personally prefer brindles. my first game bred was a gorgeous brindle. but when you breed for traits other than gameness, you move into a whole different arena. JMO.

 

Those dogs look nothing alike. Why are you so persistent to justify the existence of mixed breed dogs being passed off as "APBTs"?

And by the way, just because an apple and an orange are both fruit doesn't mean they are the same.

 

By the time I finished typing there were 2 more posts. Like I said earlier.
Dibo gets much deserved respect because what he did and his ability to produce good dogs. I've seen pics of some of his offspring like "Spike", and they were also head turners![/QUOTE]My quote from ealier.

No disrespect. Just comparing him to other dogs. Not saying he's identical to Monster just that DIBO has a bully look to him. IMO he has a look that most dogs in his time did not have. I thought that the 1st time I opened Strattons book and looked at all the photos of old time dogs. If someone had a dog today that looked like Dibo, They'd get shitted on by the game dog community. Because he doesn't look like the game dogs of today. Calling him a mongrel, Staff, cur, etc. Obviously Dibo gets respect because who he was and what he did.