National Terrier Club

http://www.nationalterriersclub.com/

check it out, seems like a great organization that is fighting for our breed and other working terriers. Check out the APBT info, they are definately on our side. Also check out the old english terrier, that to me resembles a bulldog, anyone know anything about that breed
YIS
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Nice site, thanks for posting it...

According to the site you gave, it has this to say about Old English Terriers:

"HISTORY

The "Old English Terrier" was developed in England during the 1700's. The Old English was not part of the modern day rat race to develope new breeds of terriers between 1850 - 1910, nor part of the new terrier race from 1950 - present. The "Blood" within the Old English has flown pure for well over 200 years.

Originally developed and used for working and sporting, they have increased in size over the years due directly to the need for a den buster and above ground terrier who could handle the much larger predatory animals found in America while still being able to dispatch vermin out in the field.

They began being imported to America in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. Infact, generation by generation, the lineage and ownership of the Old English registered with the NTC can be traced back to American's as early as the 1830's. "

It does remind me of an APBT.

 

i would love to attend one of the hunts they put on, gonna have to look into it, should be a great time. I wonder what kind of competition they could set up for the apbt

 

I agree nice site. I have seen a hunt put on to demonstrate "working" abilities of the small terriers. It wasn't this club, but I've attended one that was doing this type of event for Cairn Terriers. Basically, they built a series of tunnels, and placed a rat in a cage at the end. The dogs were timed to find the whole, then race, and get to the rat. The rat was caged so the dog couldn't actually kill it, but it was good to see those little dogs "flip out." People forget today, but a cairn terrier, or a yorkie (todays popular pap dog) would go to town tunneling for vermin as was their original intent.

 

what i find interesting is the contrasting opinions of whether to describe an APBT as a bulldog or terrier. would make for a good thread. but, jmo, it's a good combo of both.

 

It's been done...check out this thread...
http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13498

 

I just wanted to post this excerpt from the APBT portion of that site...good stuff!

from http://www.nationalterriersclub.com/

"Before we get into the confirmation and history of the American Pit Bull Terrier, the NTC would like to take this oppertunity to inform and educate the general public. We will start by discussing 'experts'.
Expert - Experts have prolonged or intense experience through practice and education in a particular field.
The term expert is widely used informally, with people being described as 'experts' in order to bolster the relative value of their opinion, when no objective criteria for their expertise is available.
There are only two ways in which someone can form an honest opinion about the American Pit Bull Terrier.
1. Become an expert through prolonged experience, practice and education.
2. Listen and learn from an Expert.
What is an American Pit Bull Terrier? Its pretty simple actually.
American - A breed of dog thats been developed in america over the last 150 - 175 years.
Pit - An area of combat / A Pofessional Fighting dog
Bull - bulldog ancestry
Terrier - terrier ancestry
Have you had prolonged experience, practice and education concerning the American Pit Bull Terrier? Have you learned about the American Pit Bull Terrier from experts?
-OR-
Does everything you know about the American Pit Bull Terrier come from people being described as 'experts' in order to bolster the relative value of their opinion, when no objective criteria for their expertise is available?
Were do these media 'experts' who have no expertise come from anyways?
Agenda - a list, plan, outline, or the like, of things to be done, matters to be acted upon.
The experts without expertise are hired by media corporations, donation driven organizations, and registry clubs. Ironicly, other than the facts that these corporations, organizations and clubs are driven by financial gain and they intentionally mislead the general public as to what an American Pit Bull Terrier is inorder to achieve that gain, their agandas are completely different.
NBC, CBS, CNN, FOX and MSNBC's agendas are pretty simply and straight foward.
1. Any short haired dog that attacks someone, call it a 'Pit Bull'. (creates a false epidemic, and gives the public a name for that epidemic..... Great for business)
2. Protect the epidemic - Demonize the term 'Pit Bull' or anyone connected to that term. (fake experts, false facts, vicious rumors..... Manifacturing hatred is an extremely powerful tool used to sway and control the hearts and minds of the general public. Hatred stifles debate, creates closed minds, maintains irrational loyalty to ignorant ideas and false facts, and can easily lead to radical ideas and radical behavior.... )
For the media it is all about ratings and headline.
Non-Profit Organizations / Animal Rights Groups thrive on bad news as long as animals are involved.
They thrive soley on donations. People that donate to animal rights groups have a wide range of issues and concerns. However, these organizations and groups are companies, and as such, they have to bring in vast amounts of money. The people in charge of these organizations and groups make millions of dollars, and the more they collect, the more they all personally make.
Non-Profit Organizations are like politicians, they vary in what they will say and do depending soley on who is standing infront of them with their check books open. However, Animal Rights groups fall into one of two categories concerning the term 'Pit Bull'.
1. Call as many dogs as they can 'Pit Bull' and push to ban them all.. (Any step towards banning all pet ownership is a big plus for the more radicalized organizations, groups and donors who believe animals should not be owned by humans)
2. Any short haired dog that attacks someone, call it a 'Pit Bull' and declare that abuse led to the attack inorder to collect money. ( Capitolize on the existing false epidemic, give a false reason for that epidemic with promises that animal rights groups will help stop the epidemic if people give them money.)
Those that fall into category 1 will demonize the term 'Pit Bull' or anyone connected to that term. (fake experts, false facts, vicious rumors..... Manifacturing hatred is an extremely powerful tool used to sway and control the hearts and minds of the general public. Hatred stifles debate, creates closed minds, maintains irrational loyalty to ignorant ideas and false facts, and can easily lead to radical ideas and radical behavior.... )
Those In category 2 will demonize the owners of animals. (fake experts, false facts, vicious rumors..... Manifacturing hatred is an extremely powerful tool used to sway and control the hearts and minds of the general public. Hatred stifles debate, creates closed minds, maintains irrational loyalty to ignorant ideas and false facts, and can easily lead to radical ideas and radical behavior.... )"

 

good post bud. as far as my opinion on the bulldog/terrier issue goes, it is very dependant on the blood as to whether the dog is more bulldog or more terrier in nature. there are many arguements to be made for each side. but, jmo, i think our breeds drive comes from the terrier. their muscularity and indifference to pain comes from the bulldog. i try to not be closed minded when it comes to genotype and phenotype. there are many discussions to be had as far as what you should breed for, but that isn't my concern at this point.

 

Hello good folks,

First, I would like to thank you all for showing interest in the National Terriers Club, I think it's great! I can assure everyone of you that we do share the same metality that each of you have when it comes to saving the American Pit Bull Terrier. We are well aware of the hurdles and strugles that some of you face as owners and lovers of this breed of animal. At the NTC we will fight tooth and nail with each of you to help serve and protect this amazing dog. We would love to have the chance to prove it to you. I think, if given the opurtunity, we can treat you all better than any registery out there! We want to be the place that APBT folks go to register thier animals. So, again, thank you all for your interest. Please remember that the site is a work in progress and check back with us ocassionally to see the updates and changes.

Thank you for taking the time to see us,

The National Terriers Club staff.

PS- If any of you have questions about anything on the site feel free to ask, and I will do my best to help you have a better understanding of whatever it may be. Godbless you all.

 

NTC, thanks for responding to this thread. I did have a question for u, what type of events could u guys set up for the APBT, i see that u have field trials for the terrier's that go to ground, but i didn't notice anything for the apbt

 

That is a great question BoiBoi! First let me help you understand the type of events that we host. We believe that the terrier in general is the TRUE working dog breed. Our events showcase those sides of the dogs. Our events are not focused any one breed of terrier, rather we want every member of our club, regardless if they own a Jack Russel or an American Pit Bull Terrier to be involved in ALL our events. There will be certian things that the APBT will excell in better than the smaller ground terriers, and on the same token there will be parts of the show that the smaller dogs will have the edge. At our show in January we will be doing Bear baiting (dogs will hunt and catch bear), I assure that the APBT is the perfect dog for this type of event. We will also have a Rat Race (dogs will catch rats), this type of event is level playing ground for all terrier breeds. There will be training courses for handlers and dogs before the show. All the information is on the site as far as locations go. Soon there will be more info on the clickable links for licenses, points and other things. Just remember NTC is about working dogs, and we do not have conformation events to show how a working dog performs, that just doesn't make sense to us. If you have a working dog the only way to show that is to work! I urge all of you to become members and come show off your dogs working abilities at our next show!

Thank you for your interest,

NTC

 

Interesting approach.

 

now thats what im talking about, however i hope u guys know what ur doing because there are certain regulations regarding hunting bears with dogs, and they differ from state to state. Also, maybe im wrong but i haven't heard of a bear season in january, most bears are hibernating by that time. Anyway i like ur approach to the breed and would love to one day compete in one of the trials u have.
YIS
B

 

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Black Bear, as with any bear, will only hibernate when food is scarce and the temperature is to cold. The forests within Virginia provides vast amounts of food year round.

We are aware of the laws and regulations governing the practice of hunting with dogs in the state of Virginia. NTC members will be fully informed by the NTC about the laws and regulations concerning hunting with dogs in Virginia, and we completely expect each and every member to comply and strickly adhere to the hunting laws and regulations within the state of Virginia.

We are hunting, Gentlemen, we are not playing field trial games jan 3rd thru the 5th. The courses have been shaped by nature, the game wild, and the chase begins when the game has been spotted and a terrier has been released.

There is a wide variety of game for every breed of terrier to hunt, to chase, to catch and claim as its own accomplishments. When an APBT sets its eyes on a bobcat, coyote, bear, fox, or game in general, you can rest assured that when you let that APBT go the chase will begin. That chase will remain focused and intense, unwavering and without distraction. This is the heart and determination of terriers, and come jan 3-5 the APBT's will represent themselves with merit.

National Terriers Club

 

I almost cannot believe that I just read that. Are you guys going to be hunting bears, wild game, etc in the near future with dogs? And it's legal?

This is like a dream come true. I've been wanting to do this ever since I first started getting into the APBT. What bloodlines do you guys prefer for this kind of hunting?

I still can hardly believe this btw. Really?

 

The rules and regulation for the jan 3rd-5th Terrier Hunt can be found on the front page of our website ( www.nationalterriersclub.com ) by clicking on the "License Information & Fees" link below "Terrier Hunts" ( Bottom of the frontpage).

As far as bloodlines are concerned, you should watch these dogs in action and then select a bloodline or individual dog that catches your fancy.

National Terriers Club

 

This is so awesome. Will you guys have video footage of the hunts?

 

i also am cuious about this bear hunting. come on, for real?

 

I like what I see so far, but I have a couple of questions.

Do you plan to expand to other states in the future for members who live in other states?

I wondered about this and feel that they may pertain to a few of us APBT owners that may not live close enough to Virginia.

Do you plan on having any hog hunts, agility trials, or weight pulls in the future?

Alot of us APBT owners enjoy these sports as well, so I figured I'd ask.