Game for a while... then cur?

I need to take reading lessons missed the part about the dog doing 3 hrs

 

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you win some ,you loose some ,you live to fight another day...

 

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have too say that is a funny ass picture..

 

Yes...now Iam really hungry I love Burgers...hmmm like in that AC/DC Song...Iam a Burger-hungry man....

 

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Stay with in the rules and on topic.

Thank's

 

There are many dogs that lost a match , many have lost their 1st , and still have been bred. I would try this dog out another time , and if he does not perform well then I would probably not breed him. If he shows me that the lost was just a "bad day , bad keep , errors , especailly form my part " then I would breed him and see how that comes . If he produces well , I would include him in my breeding program.

Another thing is his lost may have been like I said an error in the keep or an error from the handler , and I would not call him a cur that soon.

 

Is this possible?

 

If this doesn't make sense, I apologize.

I'm going to try and compare it to a boxer in his prime. Everyone talks about how amazing he is and how he's the best pound for pound. However, towards the end of his career, his skills diminish and so does his endurance. At one time he fought for pride and maybe later towards the end of his career its for the money. The thirst for the fight isn't the same.

Like mentioned earlier, if it was pre 1976 and the dog went 3 hours, he has already proven himself to me. I'd breed to him.

I think a dog that had an issue like this is Going Light Barney. I think his longest outing was -2 hours prior to his quit.

 

Excellent responses. All were in line with my beliefs, although @ CHJean, after that, I would retire him, to the life of a prize stud.

 

Well, I, too, need reading lessons, because I missed the 3 hr. bout as well.

 

Well done.

 

Ok...to be around honestly ... I have forgotten what I wrote. Something with terrier, Fastfood and thick girls or thus ...well, was not so important. But duel is strange.

 

Game for a while then curs out?

As most who have been in game dog forums know, this word is extremely over used and extremely misunderstood. In fact, my mind remains in turmoil just going back and forth between what I have seen, heard, and understand. At this junction, I have (internally) formed two schools of thought regarding "game".

1st School of thought: Game is and IS or IS NOT......no shades about it. The relationship between "drive" and "game" is that drive is the motivation to begin and continue a task while game is drive undeterred by any circumstances. Therefore, the word "game" is an absolute.

Under this belief, a 15min and 3hr quitter are the same, curs. Cur is a dog that will quit under the right circumstances. A game dog will not quit under the worst circumstances.

This belief can be exponentially expanded. :cool:

2nd School of thought: Game is a gauge not and IS or IS NOT. As there are degrees of cur dogs there are also degrees of game dogs. (Game) dogs are not machines that neither have a set working standard nor a set breaking point (death). Internal and external stimuli influence performance and state of mind. Therefore, if gameness is a mental state, why should it not be in degrees?

Is being game a state of mind? If a pup can be "ruined" by mishandling and mistreatment, then we can assume "state of mind" is what we look to protect. We seek to raise a confident pup that will become a confident adult.


Gameness has no need for time. A dog can prove to be game in 10 minutes or 5 hours. A cur dog can prove to be a cur in 5 min or a few hours. Can a cur go a few hours? sure! Conditioning helps a cur dog last longer and even outlast other curs. Being out of shape helps its nature emerge, cur or game. There is no such thing as genetic changing....If its conditioning helped it last 3 hours to win, it did nothing for its mental state. Therefore, although it physically won that time, its mind gave up then or the second it was placed back in the same situation. Game dogs are bred to love confrontation. If they do not love it, then they are not game. The handler should be the only one to quit. It is the responsibility of every handler to do what is best for its canine athlete. We hold a breed and its future in our hands.

Phew....penny for my thoughts:p

 

good reply

 

I have another question about this. If you say every dog can be cured out , that leaves only the DG dogs to be trully game. If this would be true , then we would have nothing trully game to bred. A dog can be very game , but because health issues he can't perform , and then he stops , or he dies . So , my opinion is that a dog that has 5xw and loses one is a good dog but one that was pushed to far .

Another thing I forgot . Wins do not necesarilly mean that a dog can produce good offsprings. It gives you better odds , but don't guarante 100%.

 

lots of good thought here.
I believe that a dog CAN be game and still lose. as stated there is a great number who believe that each match, even each roll would take a bit out of the dog. then you have the conditioning/nutrition factor of that era- some were on top of it, some were not.
in the end everyone can have a bad day- if it becomes a constant then it is best to bemove said dog from the breeding program, but losing game once doesnt make a dog a cur in my opinion.
maybe "good" dogs might have occasionally had a quit, but "great" dogs would not?

"gameness" is probably one of the most overused/misunderstood terms regarding bulldogs. i remember years ago someone said that my dogs were not "game" because they got along w/ each other as housedogs. i tried to explain what i knew of gameness taught to me by the Dogmen i knew-but it fell on deaf ears.

 

I see a lot of excuses for curs on this thread. Their are no bad days (quitting), bad days are called being a cur. 15min, 2hr, a cur is a cur. Making excuses for curs is not being honest with yourself about your dogs and is not giving back, period.

and yes it's true these animals are not machines, so know your dogs and when they need to be retired or you'll cur them out. Ch Stallone is a perfect example