Some bulldogge doubts...

How can someone really believe that a dog like this is the Old Bulldog?


And what a hell is "renascence bulldogge"? Is some like that useless (and very very ugly) "olde bulldogge"?

I've been notice by some self called breeder about that "renascence bulldogge"...

Thanks for all.

 

There was a thread on this forum back in May that dealt briefly with the renascence bulldog... http://www.game-dog.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21844&highlight=renascence If you want to answer that question google the term and you'll find many breeders with websites, and lots of info. They are like you said breeding to attempt (in their eyes) to restore the original bulldog of old. I don't know about that, but they do keep thier dogs in a tight circle of owners now, and are apparently trying to improve what they think is the real bulldog responsibly.

 

I see that it's only the same mistaked thing as the "olde bulldogge"... I found nothing but really wrong informations in these "breeders'" sites... including some english bulldog development photos as "working old bulldog"...

 

As an owner of an Olde English Bulldogge, I am partial to the breed (despite all my complaining :rolleyes: ). Are they the old pit dogs? Nope. But I think they are a helluva lot better than the modern day [English] Bulldog. And the resurgance in the dogs is coming from breeders who are trying to take the Bulldog back to what it used to be and put an end to all the genetic issues the modern day Bulldog has.

Our OEB came from working farm stock. He's not as athletic as the APBTs due to his being brachiocephalic dog (only slightly though) and large body size. However, he goes for 2 mile walk/jogs and is our top springpole and flirtpole maniac. He outlasts all of our APBTs mostly due to his obsessive/compulsive issues with those toys. He has no problem sprinting around the yard. And his drive his amazing. So if I had to choose, I would choose my OEB over any [English] Bulldog any day.

 

by modern day bulldog are reffering to the squat little pug mixes that are now being called OEB?They are mixed with pugs arent thay?LOL,I try to learn about all these bulldogs ,but ,it seeems like a new "type" of bulldog is popping up everyday! I like your dog,Is that what OEB's are supposed to look like?

 

This is a Thomas Rowlandson's (1756-1827) painting called "The Bull Bait" with the typical bulldog used in arenas.





This is another old picture that shows a bulldog bitch fighting against a bull in a farm.



Too different of many trying to recreations as ''Olde Bulldogges'' in my point of view... almost the modern fighting bulldog (American Pit Bull)...
I think if they are trying to REALLY recreate a supposed instict breed, they need to test their results in the arena, and I saw with my own eyes that an "olde bulldogge" even can handle with a hog...

 

To my knowledge, the OEB's, like mine pictured above, are not squat little pug mixes. That dog is taller than the vast majority of my APBTs and is the same heighth as the tallest ones. He's about 80-85lbs.

Highblood, I'm not going to argue whether or not the APBT was the exact bulldog of yesteryears because the name says is all..."American." I have no doubt that the bulldog of yesteryears was a predecessor to the APBT of today, however it was also the predecessor to ALL the bulldog breeds in a sense. The APBT was bred as a pit dog. The bulldog of yesteryears was a bull baiting dog until it was outlawed...then the breeding practices changed in order to revolutionize the dog as a pit dog vs. other dogs. IMO it's kind of like the AST is to the APBT....same dog yet completely different due to different standards regarding breeding.

And nowhere did it say that they are trying to turn the OEBs or ABs into APBTs.

I have a feeling you'd have a lot of fun on an American Bulldog forum bashing their "made up wanna-be dogs."

As for our OEB, he's a pet. That's my version of a pet.

I also want to add that while I love the historical pictures, I have just as many showing versions of the bulldog that look more like the modern day OEB and American Bulldogs. There were many varieties of bulldogs back then. Do I have a problem with some of these new breeders trying to recreate a historical breed for no reason other than money? You bet I do. But if they want to work those dogs in different venues specific to the bulldog breeds, then have at it.

 

I see... and agree with you, my point is that some self called "breeders" are selling the Olde Bulldogge and other bully breeds as the ancient baiting dog... and this is totally wrong.
I didn't told that they are trying to turn these bullies to a Pit Bull.

You said a thing very important now, I don't know how is the American Staffordshire breeding in USA, but in Southern Brazil, they have no difference, it's just a registration question. Mostly, heavyweights dogs are registered as AST and the others as APBT... but in the pit... no difference at all. My heavyweight 4xW is an AST registered but he has mostly Colby/Yellow blood... he ended the career of two recognized and great match dogs here...

 

yes , yours is much different than what most people call OEB's,thats what I'm wondering if a dog like yours is what OEB's are supposed to look like,kind of like APBT and bullies,you know most everyone these days thinks that bullies are how a pit bull should look,but we know thats not right,so are the short little pug nosed OEB's of today just warped versions of a dog like yours?Say you looked up a standard for a true olde english bulldog ,would it more like your's or the other ones so popular these days?Sorry if this doesnt make too much sense,but as aid I'm still trying to learn all these bulldogs.

 

I gotcha. I misunderstood. And I agree that unless these dogs are being tested on bulls, then they have no business advertising them as such.

And Chloe, Chipper is an OEB and what an OEB should look like. What is said is I get more compliments like "Nice pit!" & questions on why I didn't crop his ears that I get on my true APBTs. We were even dropped from one homeowner's insurance company due to our "large white aggressive pit bull." To bad Chipper's not aggressive nor is he a "pit bull."

Chloe, here is a picture of Chipper sitting next to our old AKC showdog EB we had. It shows a good comparison:

 

More Chipper:

 

Just to let every one know there is a difference between and OLDE ENGLISH BULLDOGGE and an English Bulldog. The main difference is the oeb is a rangier dog and has a higher stamina and drive than the worthless little fart machine known as an english bulldog.

 

Nobody told that they're the same dog... of course they are very close in blood, but never the same dog.

High stamina? I don't think so...

But, thanks for the answer

 

I didnt say high stamina i said highER. There is a difference.

 

Wow, sorry about that ...

 

I can't believe anyone would mistake an OEB for an APBT. :rolleyes:

 

While we are on this topic, and Mia you probably can answer this, does anyone know the difference between the Victorian Bulldogge and the OEB? There are some breeders around here that claim they breed victorian bulldogges, and other breeders that breed the OEBs. Really I can't tell the difference aside from some of the 'victorian' bulldogs have a long natural tail and most of the OEBs I've seen are predominantly white, some of the 'victorian' bulldogs are brindle or tri-coloured. Other than that, they look the same to me and no one seems to be able to tell me the difference. And some breeder pages claim that there dogs are Victorian Bulldogges but registered as OEBs? I haven't figured it out yet.

 

Neither could I. But if I painted him blue and cropped his ears he'd make me a ton of money!!

 

Were there ever any Yellow dogs that were registered as AmStaffs? I had no idea, I thought he and the line were strictly APBT...

 

In Brazil, any Pit Bull can be registered as American Staffordshire... and any Staffordshire as Pit Bull... no problem with that...