Gameness, that elusive trait!

You’re right, but is game not the effort to keep going even when beat and has a choice to keep going or to quit? At one point or another does one party not give up in the wild if there is a chance to retreat in a loosing situation? Why would the wild animal keep fighting a loosing battle? It does not make sense in logical terms. Now it may be killed but when did the switch happen From fighting over the female/territory/etc. to fighting for self preservation? To me Gameness is when something keeps going even when it has a choice to stop a loosing battle. I have not seen this in the wild but the exact opposite. Also To say that Gameness is only in this breed and then say Gameness is as natural as it can get. Are those not contradictory terms?

 

I don't know a lot about genes and all, but I would think it was a Gene trait. Though I have a feeling it's recessive (but who knows), because if you breed two very game dogs, what's the % of game offspring? From what I understand, it's a lower %, but a better % than none game APBT, where you get that rare gem....I don't think it's a Mind-set trait, because it wouldn't be passed on, well at least, my understanding of alles and all, it wouldn't be passed on. Just like if a pup's Sir lost an ear in a fight, the pup won't be born without an ear. It's not just transered over. Does that make sense? Sorry if it doesn't.

 

Look, one Elephant is more game than the other...maybe one quit. But if 2 of the right caliber meet it is maybe the last fight for one of them. Exactly the same counts for Bulldogs.
I think Gameness is called the big clockwork of mother nature. We are to insignificant too be invented around such a thing. There somebody big has his fingers in the play.

 

I have seen this in the wild. The jaguar is a lone predator and when he sees he can't win, he quits, waits till the nest opportunity. I don't thing that makes him any less game, just wise.

 

I would never be able to show my dog, he goes nuts when he even sees another dog down the street when I am walkin him.

He is a pull dog but still goes nuts when he sees another dog out of their kennel.

Before I got him, he was tested and he is very game.

 

Editted- Simms.

 

Ppl let's stay within the rules of the site. Language and how it is used is everything. I will ask all to review thier post and edit what is questionable on the thier own.

Thank's.

 

that's how i feel, you can't just breed any dog, and expect it to be game, gameness comes from a long line of breeding, you can't just breed this dog of breed Ato that dog of breed F and it to do anything in the pit, all you would have is a mix-bred mutt.

 

i think that is enough of the gameness questions..if you really want to know get a book...sitting here asking a site where half the people dont know..and half of the other half think they know...leads to asking the same question over and over...lets move on..

 

Also books were only written by people. You never know to 100% who is right. The point is, a Diskusion, led with respect can never be wrong. I think Gameness is the key word for our present problems. As long as people think Gameness has something with aggression to do or is comparable with unpredictability they will feel fear and aversion. I can understand these people well. Therefore, I explain that Gameness stands for concentration ability and reliability . And Gameness is natural. We can change, however,but not create something new. For created someone else is responsible.

 

Good Idea

 

There's several things I've read and/or been told.

"Gameness is when the will to dominate supercedes the desire to survive."

you can't dumb it down anymore than that.

and like minor post earlier in this thread, "Don't be surprised when they quit, be surprised when they don't."

there's no formula to get "that elusive trait."

I've been told more than once, and believe, that most ppl never have and never will see a truely game (or dead game, whatever you want to call it if it sounds cooler) animal. but if you have one that works, and is what you as a breeder would consider enough for your program, your best bet is to try and duplicate and at the same time improve upon the traits in that dog that make it succeed, i think...

 

I'm fairly new to the site but have been around dogs my whole life......I have a few bulldogs and a few wolfdogs.....

The best way to describe gameness to me is by example....

When my wolfdogs establish who is omega and alpha they respect that order and live by it. Alpha eats first, omage eats last... they can be loose together and interact because they respect where they are placed in rank.....

But the bulldogs have to seperated because they are always striving to be on top...they never are content with their position in live... they want to reach a higher plato and go after what they want......................... I have a great respect that line of reasoning......

 

Would you please explain
how is it in many cases possibly that 2, 3,4 or more Bulldogs live together? I mine how is this possibly?
I know the answer. You do not speak from gameness you talk about DA and the will to dominate. This has nothing with Gameness to do. Many very game Bulldogs are very comfortably quietly and friendly, also to other dogs. They dont want to reach a higher plato.....but if they are challenged....Happy Birthday!

 

ok drive takes you there,gameness keeps you there,and the rest allows it to happen again..