Terrible !!!!!

Dunlap my friend, it seems you are a little misguided on this one. While some ppl will refuse to admit this, our breed was created for dog-on-dog combat. It's what they do. Let me tell you a story.

When my husband & I 1st got into the dogs my husband was of the same mind as you - matching is cruel, the dogs had to be forced, etc. I knew otherwise b/c my family had gamedogs growing up. Once we had a yard accident & one of our females was being destroyed, but her tail was up over her back wagging to beat the band. When we finally got them separated the female who was being trashed tried scratching back so hard into the other female that she left nail furrows in our wood floor!

Needless to say my husband was absolutely shocked. He would have never believed it had he seen it w/ his own eyes. That female would have taken her death - in fact she almost already had. but she was doing what she - & countless other bulldogs love best - & that is fighting.

Now, yes that video is graphic. But they picked the worse cases to feature so they could get the maximum shock value. They didn't feature the dogs who were matched on a Friday night & were up & about running on their chain space almost good as new Monday morning. They couldn't do that. That wouldn't horrify you.

So they took pics of the ghetto dogs who were probably matched by young know-nothing thugs who kept them down to the point of death. A true dogman would never knowingly let his dog get destroyed like that. The dogs are not only friends, but valuable athletes & any dogman worth his salt would have picked up WAY before the damage like what is on that video was done.

Further, the proper pitting of dogs gives the dog every opprotunity to opt out. They don't have to start in a roll, or if they make it to the point of being matched, they can choose not to scratch at any time. Or if they plain want out, the pit walls are always short enough that the dog can effortlessly jump out at any time. In fact, I once read an account of a dog who jumping out of a pit & the walls were so low that his leap ended up w/ the dog being in the 3rd or 4th row of the bleachers! So they most certainly are not "pinned up."

As for your comments about bulldogs who don't fight being killed, that is absolute bunk. I have heard of several ppl who will have culls S/N & placed in pet homes. You only hear about the culls getting shot b/c that is what sells. But you don't hear about the culls who are living the life of riley in loving homes b/c that would defy the PETA adgenda & maybe actually make the dogman look like a human being instead of a cruel monster.

Now are there some who cull by killing? Yes, there are. But do not fool yourself into thinking this is a dogman thing. Boxer & Great Dane breeders (among others) kill pups if they aren't the right color. Let me highlight that. PUPS ARE KILLED B/C THEY AREN'T THE RIGHT COLOR. Now if you ask me, THAT is cruel. At least pit dogs have a chance. Little baby pups who are born the wrong color have no chance. They can't chage the color of their fur. Yet they are killed, usually in an inhumane way by being smothered or put in the freezer. But I don't hear you hollering to high heaven about that.

I think you mean well Dunlap. But you must educate yourself on some of the subjects on which you choose to speak b/c in some cases you are obviously a little off the mark.

 

Dont be delusional....I dont lie an I been in these dogs along time. Ive never known a dog to ask me to lie for them either....

 

You dont know what your talking about....Emotional rampage. Get a grip!

 

Your Kennel is a Joke! You are nothing more than a puppy peddler.... Your Audacious to speak about the Old timers and you encourage ppl to report others to the HSUS or A/C.

You better run your shit right....they will be knocking on your door. Dont you dare look for me to help you.

 

I'm no fan of the "game" and am not involved in it. However, urging people to report "suspected" dogfighting is WAY off the mark. When that happens, all the dogs get killed. Even on the most game of game yards all the dogs are not likely to be match dogs. So you've ended up helping to kill a bunch of dogs. I'd far rather if I had to re-incarnate (for the sake of discussion, I'm not advocating re-incarnation as an idea) as a Pitbull be on a good dogmans yard where I had a fighting chance than in a "shelter" having been seized in a bust. The second choice is sure death.

 

To me this is a dilemma. True cruelty cases - like what we saw featured on the video - should be reported. That was just sick & the persons who did that need to be jailed for their actions & we can only hope they will rehabilitate the dogs & not kill them.

But if you report just anyone fighting pit bulls, either real or suspected, they will put both fighting dogs (if they are doing it) & family pets to death. So if they are not doing it, or are doing it right, you are not helping the dogs, but in fact are sentencing innocent animals to a sure death.

Do you want to be responsible for killing a fighting dog who is well cared for & loves what he does? Do you want to be responsible for killing an innocent pet who just happens to be owned by a dogman? I don't.

But on the other hand, do we want to let these ghetto thugs let these magnificent animals get torn apart, starved, fought to the death or otherwise mistreated? I don't.

So it's a hard one, IMO.

 

Absolutely a great post!!

 

ABK, I'm agreeing with Big Game here, that was a great post you put up!
I think you're owed a few rep points for that one...

 

Now I know that pit bulls do have a natural aggressive instinct but then again, alot of dogs do...Around here the people that fight dogs are backwoods, wanna be thugs that do it to prove that they are "bad ass". It just irritates the shit outta me to see these little punks runnin around with their skinny ass dogs that are covered in scars and crap bragging about how many dogs they've killed. Then when they wont fight anymore, they dump them off on a dirt road, leave them tied with no food or water, or they'll just shoot in the back of the head and burn em'. 90% of the time when they are dumped off, they attack a family pet or try to attack a person and then it's all over the news about how all pits should be illegal to own...I have read some old articles on dog fights and "some" seem to be ...alright, not good but alright. But for someone to think that a pit bull HAS to be tested before it's worth anything just drives me crazy.

Now in my site I say report dog fighters...By that I mean the people that are obviously fighting their dogs, have them living on 8' chains that are big enough to pull an eighteen wheeler, living in 4 inches of shit in a 6' x 6' pin...I dont know about where ya'll are from but this shit is ever where where I live. It doesnt matter what day of the week it is, you can ALWAYS by a $50.00 pitbull pup in the wal-mart parking lot and I'd say 70% of the time it's gonna be fought no matter what. And someone said that pits were made for fighting other dogs but that all depends on what articles you read. I've read a few that say pits were used for hunting and then later down the road, used for dog fights. I'm not trying to act like I know everything there is to know about dog fightin, simply because I dont. But I would never make my dog fight another dog just to make a buck.

 

A joke huh...how's that son? And a "puppy peddler" LMAO.

And just who is gonna come knockin at my door...you, LOL...want directions?

 

Your right you don't know that much. Why don't you educate yourself before you breed and post bullshit. Please tell me how your preserving the old and bettering the new like it says in your sig. You are breeding subpar animals to make a buck. That is what I call a puppy peddlar.You are disrespecting the old and destroying the new. You are adding to the problem by breeding those animals. Their are plenty of pets at shelters that get put to death everyday. You are the one destroying the breed. What have your animals done to deserve to get bred. Probably the same as a dog in a shelter. NOTHING

 

Yup a Joke!

Wont be me knocking at your door, I wont asosciate in the real with types like you...Least Not in the dogs! You will bring your own heat to you when you,when you sell to the wrong person....you see you might believe that you have good intentions by this breed. However you are an accident waiting to happen and a danger to every comunity you place an animal in.Primarly due to the rose colored glasses you choose to ware.....

 

Excellent....
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to bakerbt again.

 

Dunlap - I sure hate to hear that stuff is like that in your area. But do you know what made it like that? Ignorant breeders selling to ignorant buyers.

All that abuse & squallor you see has nothing to do w/ the dog game. It has to do w/ ignorance, plain & simple. If you knew a reputable dog person, you'd know that.

And as a side note, what you see is not the rule. Many, many gamebred pit bulls live a life of luxury. Again, if you knew a reputable dog person, you'd know that.

 

I agree with the entire post but especially this. ^ Dunlap, you're talking about street fighters, and they are no comparison to true dogmen.

Someone I know with a very, very large yard constantly has dogs being conditioned. The dog gets walked 1 mile, does another activity for endurance, gets walked another mile, and then gets a 30-minute rubdown.
These dogs get the best, human-grade food with supplements, not just commercial dry dog food.
The dogs have indoor/outdoor kennel areas unless they prefer to be on the chain. One of her dogs lives inside. If she could safely have more than one inside, I'm sure she would.
Out of over 65 dogs, there is usually only 1 or 2 litters on the ground a year. Ones that do produce are health tested, are over 2, and have proven to be game with a sound temperament. The pups go to working homes or occasionaly as pets under a S/N contract. She knows where all of the pups shes produced are and will take them back at any point in their life.

For most of bulldogs, dog-on-dog activities only make up about 1% of their life. The rest is full of the best exercise, food, and affection most dogs will ever know.

 

Good post Crazy. It reminds me when my mom's b/f was conditioning a dog. That dog ate hamburger, green beans & cottage cheese while us kids ate hot dogs! lol.

When not in a keep, he stayed in the house as a family pet. He ate the best dog food money could buy. He had oil put over his food & was brushed every day. He was like a member of our family.

That is one reason I can only shake my head when ppl who have never even met a true dogman crow about how "cruel" the dog game is.

Now are there pl out there who mistreat game dogs? Sure. But it's everywhere. There are ppl who mistreat coon hounds. There are ppl who mistreat beagles. but we don't hear anyone howling about how coon hunting or rabbit hunting is cruel.

Plus, ppl who misteat pit bulls didn't learn those tactics from dog ppl. They picked up some $150 dogs out of the paper & applied tactics they learned from PETA. But the true dogman & the true bulldog are the ones who take the fall.

 

Suki - Good post. Just b/c one admires the history of the breed & the men that made them what they are today, it does not mean we are dog fighters.

Dunlap - If you knew anything about the game, you'd know matching a dog is NOT cheap & is NOT a way to make a few quick bucks. Firstly, the dog is going to be in a keep for 6-8 weeks. So any money you will make will be invisible for 6-8 weeks. Not my idea of "quick" money.

Then purse is usually a $500 minimum. Then there is forefit money to be put up in addition to the purse. So we're up to probably around $850 or so now. And this is before you have even done anything.

($$$ gone)

Then there is all the money you have to spend for conditioning feed & suppliments for the dog during the keep.

(more $$$ gone)

And if you don't already have some conditioning equipment for the dog you have to buy that too.

(more $$$ gone)

Then you have to spend more money for travel costs, housing & eats going to the match.

(more $$$ gone)

And remember, you're putting this out of your pocket before you have made any of this "quick money."

Oh, I forgot - you have to purchase medical supplies for the aftercare before you go & possibly pay a fellow fancier for his time in helping you care for your dog afterward.

(more $$$ gone)

Oops, forgot again - what if the dog loses? Where is that "quick money" then? Every red cent you spent on the whole endevour will be gone AND you still have the travel & eats expenses going home!

(more $$$ gone)

So unless there are drug boys involved who put up an ungodly high purse (& drug boys are NOT true dogmen) rarely is there any money to be made in the dog game, let alone any quick money.

In fact, most of the dog ppl I have met lived a very humble, simple life. They usually lived in a trailer or small house & drove older vehicles. They didn't wear designer shoes or taylored suits. They were more likely to be clothed in overalls & work boots. They have jobs such as brick layer, farmer or factory worker & they worked hard every day. Do you think they'd be living in a tiny house or working like a mule all week if they were making all this "quick money" in dogs?

Money - if any is made at all - is usually obtained by spending a lot of time, effort, money, sweat & tears. it doesn't come quick & it doesn't come easy. In fact, compared to the money made in a typical match it would be much easier & quicker just put in a 40 hr work week.

In closing, before you get any crazy ideas, no, I do NOT match my dogs. The info I have shared with you are just things I've picked up growing up around the game as a kid & talking to folks who used to do it.

 

Likewise, ABK! GREAT post!
not a fan here, of anyone who generalizes OR assumes.

 

Alright Dunlaps you have done it! I cant take this any more. I want to thank you for joining our community. To be a community you need people from every walk of life. The good and the bad. In this comunity we have all kinds of people. We have solders who have fought for our country. Construction workers. Old time dog men. Men of the lord. A lead singer of a rock band.Shelter owners. We have the poor the ritch & everything inbetween. Seems the only void we needed to fill in our comunity is the perfict example of what not to be & what not to do with these dogs. That was until you came along. You are a joke and so are youre ckc regesterd yardshiters. Ya thats right yardshiters! Youre dogs may be great pets but whare do you get off useing them as breeding stock . How have them dogs proven themselfs worthy to be breed? What breeding standerds do you follow? Wait.. I'll tell you. The dogs have done nothing and you....you tru blue puppy peddling back yard breeding peice of crap have No standerds in youre breeding program other than, buy male dog, buy female dog. stick the two together. produce subpar yardshitters. You admitingly dont show dogs (probobly never even glanced at the standerd) Dont game test but that's ok because you prove youre dogs in weight pull right ? well I got a question are you breeding down from pull dogs. If so where are the ace's in youre dogs pedagree's? how many ace's has youre kennel produced? there are no ace's in youre dogs pedagree's & you have not produced any ace's so how the hell are you breeding for the pull? I seriously doubt even you know youre dogs linniage. The ones that are supost to be adba regesterd say, ''will be adba regesterd'' Gater,colby,red devil my ass! mabee one of those line's show up like once in the 11th gen on mabee one of those yardshiters. By the way WTF is a dunlap bloodline. Let me guess you picked up one of those 50 dollar pups in the wall mart parking lot took it home and while you were still drunk with puppy exitement you accadently mistook youreself for a dogman and instntly almost magicly you had skipped 20 years of hard work and developed youre own bloodline. Only the ckc will register a dog of unknown linniage so thay were youre natural choice of registry for these Dunlap dogs. Please newbees learn from this. Do not end up beeing this guy.