For those who discredit blues!!

I know i've been gone for a while but here's a good article i read on Stratton's site. It's long and i'm sure most won't read it but here goes:

Although I have been often referenced as the authority on Going Light Barney, I must confess that I never even saw Barney in holds. I found it quite fascinating, however, that he was one of the most controversial dogs of which I ever knew. I think part of the reason for that fact was Barney’s flamboyant owner, who is still alive as I write this. Although not a bad fellow, he had a way of stirring up the dander of other dog men. Consequently, all of Barney’s accomplishments were always scrutinized with a jaundiced eye. Since I had my picture taken with Barney, a lot of people seem to think that Barney once belonged to me, but such was not the case, although I did own a daughter of his which I bred back to him. That breeding produced George, one of my finest all-time dogs from a pit dog perspective.

It is hard to believe now, but Barney was whelped way back in the sixties, so he is definitely an old timer. He was the product of breeding a daughter of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com /><st1:City w:st=Johnston</st1:City>’s fabulous Goofy dog to a Rascal bitch. That produced Barney’s mother, Penny, and she was nothing to write home about–possibly a cold bitch and a trifle shy. She was bred to Rootberg’s Booger, strictly on the basis of his being a pure Corvino dog. So it is not surprising that not much was expected of the litter, but it produced Barney and several females which were renowned for their gameness, one of them, Going Light Babe, winning a Best in Show down South in a losing effort!

Barney had a storied career. He had been farmed out to some guy in the inner city to raise and was rolled from the time he was six months old, something no educated dog man would do. After he killed Two-Dollar George, a highly valued pit dog in a pick up match when he was only a little over a year old, he was reclaimed by his owner, who called himself Larry Light in the pit circuit. He was matched into fast company down in <st1:State w:st="on">Mississippi</st1:State> against a Carver dog and won handily in about twenty minutes. This was the convention which also featured Boomerang and the immortal Bolio. Bolio won best in show because he won over the dog with the highest reputation, a dog which was thought to be unbeatable.

The controversy comes from the fact that Barney was counted out in his third match in <st1:City w:st="on">Dallas</st1:City>. Larry swore up and down that he was doped, as the dog didn’t know where he was, and he had lost his equilibrium for several hours. Whatever happened, Barney came back to win six in row against the best the other side could come up with. One match was raided and the dogs confiscated. This was before the felony laws, and the dogs were broken out of the pound in which they were held. The match was held, and Barney won in an hour and five minutes. Barney was dyed black and shipped to a preacher in <st1:State w:st="on">New Mexico</st1:State>. Part of the reason for all of this chicanery was that Larry was suing the animal control people for losing possession of his dog!

Barney’s toughest match was against another ear dog, extremely well thought of, and the match went nearly two hours before Barney prevailed. That was back in the oil crisis days, in which you couldn’t plan a long trip, as you might run out of fuel. Larry and his cohorts loaded up a station wagon with several gallons of gasoline so that they could make the trip there and back without having to stop or having to worry about fuel. I was invited to go along, but I was not of a mind to travel in that rolling bomb! Hence, I missed my chance to see a great match. Barney usually had an easy time with his opponents, controlling them with ear holds until the dog was worn down, and then Barney went in for the kill. I think it was the "quit" in <st1:City w:st="on">Dallas</st1:City> that made it possible for Larry to go on finding matches for Barney.

After the above mentioned match, a fellow named Jobe, who put out a pit dog magazine, did a cover story on Barney. He had been there at the match, and he dubbed Barney a "grand champion." That was the first time I had ever seen that term used. Now, he would not be eligible for the title because of the loss in his second match. Mitigating circumstances don’t count, and besides, Larry was never able to prove anything.

Barney was known more for ability than for gameness, but he was game enough to win, and the loss came under suspicious circumstances. Barney was an unusual Bulldog in that he had an aloof personality, in direct contradistinction to most Bulldogs. He won Larry’s wife over because he would sit up and do tricks on the chain or in the kennel run, but once he was taken out, his demeanor changed completely. He had achieved his goal, so the charm was gone, and he simply was off to do what he wanted. Larry, who was a real estate speculator who owned half the land in <st1:City w:st="on">San Diego</st1:City> county, loved the deviousness of the dog. He was also delighted that his wife, who abhorred the pit dog game, was Barney’s stoutest ally–although she certainly never went to a match.

Barney was never open to stud, and he was never bred much, as Larry seemed to concentrate his breeding program on breeding dogs that were down from Penny and in breeding Barney’s sisters, in particular Babe. Larry was one of those guys who kept track of litters by naming all the pups with the same letter, but somehow one in this litter got named Scarlet. Although a fine pit dog, she escaped Larry’s ownership. Another game sister of Barney was Belle, who won several matches.

As for blue dogs, most of them are sought out today by those who want a dog for appearance. I have even heard it said that all blue dogs stem from Staf blood. Being of a skeptical nature, I tend to doubt that "fact." One of the best dogs I ever saw was a blue dog and his brother in a <st1:City w:st="on">Las Vegas </st1:City>convention. They were both talented and game, but I was never able to ascertain their breeding–but they certainly seemed to have no Staf blood in them. Besides, the Staf standard calls for a black nose, so I doubt that would be the source of the blue dogs. In truth, there are probably a multitude of sources, as it seems to be a simple Mendelian trait.

Readers may be amused to learn that Heinzl once informed me that the last Stratton he knew was an African-American gentleman who had a strain of blue dogs. Again, he didn’t know the breeding on them, but Howard said they were as game a line as he had ever seen. And Howard was tough to please!

People with a little experience are quick to denounce Barney and the blue dogs. I would suggest a little caution in that respect. Barney may have not been the greatest dog of his time, but he beat some really good dogs. And not all blue dogs are alike.



Strattons site: http://www.richardfstratton.com/

 

Thanks for that...I always like to read Strattons storys.He is a true Bulldogger.

 

I was told not to read info from Stratton a few years back! Could cause you to hurt yourself!

 

Sounds as though he is talking about true APBT that are blue. But if this article or writing is what people use to convince themselves that their way out-of-standard blue dogs are pure, then I have a bridge to sell them. I am sure that back in the day blue, is no where near the today blue(at least the blue that is so in demand). If someone has a true blue APBT then hey thats cool, but you won't convince me that a 90lb blue dog, that is double the standard weight, and so noticeably out of conformity to anyone who has at least a vague knowledge of pitbulls, is pure.


JMO

 

Just offering up some of the things that i've read, not my opinion. Although i do think that possibly there were game blues at some point, pure apbt, until they were altered into what you see today. Some people consider Stratton an authority on the dogs some don't, i choose to think objectively.

 

...ditto for me...

 

lol, agreed....as an owner of a couple "blues" this topic has gotten very tired......

 

If the topic is not to your liking why come to the thread just to say something negative? Sorry for posting i forgot you guys run the web.

 

The irony of that story is, Going Light Barny was not a blue dog, I forget what his color/markings were. Strattons dogs are off of going light blood.

 

lol, I don't think I "run the web" It was an interesting read, it's just that the topic comes up here and it always turns into an argument and it gets old, ya know. Wasn't trying to be negative, just agreeing with Mia. On a positive note, I did enjoy the article.

 

I THINK Barney was brindle and white. I dont feel like going down stairs to look in the book so someone correct me if I am wrong.

 

ur right he was a brindle dog, so i don't understand why people associate him with blue dogs, makes no sense to me.

 

One thing to note is that the game dogs that were blue or had blue where not the same as the bully blues pawned off today. they are two different dogs. Standard vs mixed to get a blue. You can tell obviously the mixed vs the true.

 

Yesterday I met with a breeder here in Texas whose been in the game for20 something years to make a real long story short he told that when he first started out he had real game-dogs. He named Nigerino, and Alligator but here's the good part he said that was then now he's gotten into Avant, Benedict, and Watchdog. When I asked him why he switched he said because the shorter, wider dogs are better for game because they nothing can get under them. Folks let me tell ya, this man was about 70 something years old and I wanted ring his wrinkly neck and slap him in the ears a few times because he's listened to bullshit. I tried to tell about the breed standard and he just kept interupting so I was like you're just another lost cause. I normally don't disrespect my elders but he was talking non-sense but he was well aware of what he was saying. I wonder how many more game dog breeders have switched to breeding handicap dogs? That's what i call'em.

 

Handicapped dogs. lol that is a good discription of them.

 

That's right. We all know & understand that a blue gamebred dog can pop up from time to time. And no one here is against it. We don't hate those dogs, we don't discriminate against them. But ONCE a person begins breeding just for color & especially those that outcross to other breeds, then the dogs are no longer APBTs & we shouldn't tolerate that kind of action that is so detrimental to the breed & the dogs themselves.

And Barney was a brindle w/white dog. I've got a color picture of him framed on my wall. I don't see any blue whatsoever.

 

Exactly! points to ya sister.
Ya Barney was a Brindle with white markings. He didn't even have a blue heu to him. I don't know where anyone got the idea about him being blue in any way. Must be a missinfo on some other barney from more recient times. call names get duplicated quite often. Hell there are even folks that dip into other folkes card.

 

You said a mouth full Mia!

 

=in a nonhomo way!!!