I dont get it...

You all always tell me i have to be prepared for a dog that is going to lunge, pull, and be very animal aggerssive with strong prey drive. Well, the people who told me this, have a yard or dogs. They didnt have one pup to put a lot of training into. A trained pup, grows up into a good adult. A dog can be very DA and have high prey drive, and still be under control on a walk. You are giveing game dogs the image that they can never be controled and they are crazy and wild with drive. Im not saying just ANYONE can handle one, but if u just have 1 game dog... u can put good waork into it... and make it a good dog. :confused:

 

well ya
I have some that are very calm on a a leash but I start them out young as pups so they dont pull (im small and hate to be pulled around )
but do I trust them around other animals NO and alot of times when they see another dog then all manners fly out the window

 

It's true though. When you have fewer dogs it's just all the way around easier. You have more time to put into each one.

 

I dont get your point or your question.....What exactly are you saying?

 

Are you speaking from experience?

My dog got his CGC at 5 months (he's a good dog). But, if a rabbit crosses our path or another male, believe you me, he'll react and pull towards it. Maybe you should grab one of them blue show dogs that are oblivious to the world around them if you want a "good dog".

 

What does her owning a mutt have to do with anything? She means a well behaved dog who doesn't act like a complete moron in public.

My answer is yes, a game bred dog can be handled and trained just like any other. But one must realize that genetics will always shine through, no matter how many obedience titles the dog has. This doesn't mean that a dog can't or won't walk well on leash, but don't expect him to walk well and behave OFF leash, or within close proximity to another dog.

My mutt is quite DA, yet after working with him and spending some time on his training our walks are much more enjoyable. Our boarder, Nos, has a very high prey drive and chases anything that runs. We are working on this.


Like Dirty said, it's much easier with fewer dogs.

 

To me it does not matter if you put all the time in the world, if your dog is animal agressive, and you are not around, the dog will go after what ever he likes. I have seen animal agressive dogs behave like small babies when the owner is around. But I also know the same dog kill a nother dog when it got loose int he yard, and the owner was not there. I defenety agree with you that your dog dont have to or should not pull you around when you walking. To me thats two different things. Molly was extreamly animal agressive when she was younger, but she was and is very well behaved when she is with me, even with other dogs was around.

 

I am with you on that. I was waiting for the question.

 

Im also wating on the question.

 

The question is:
Why do u go around telling people that all bulldogs are out of control around everything? Why do u think that because of someones age and gender, they couldnt handle one? Why do u think that because someone owns a mutt, they could never control a bulldog?
I know the dog IS DA and high prey drive, i dont care about that, but u people always make it sound like that u cant do ANYTHING about it. Yeah, duh it will attack and kill another dog, even my dog will do that. But because i took time to train my dog and his gentics, he doesnt go crazy when something goes by (unless its a squrriel or cat). I cant really put what i want to say in words...

 

Who are you adressing?

Not a chance that I would place a dog with you!

 

when you have a game pitbull or extremely DA pitbull ull know why..
with your mix dog he dosnt go crazy he just bites ppl

 

My dogs don't act that way. Sugar does around small dogs, that's the only problem. But, has never been been one so far.

 

this doesn`t make much sence.
your telling us/site that your dog could kill another dog(I Y Opinion)and that it goes crazy at cats and squrriel(sp) which is prey drive.

good luck with that training!(gentics?(hundred years undone in one dog?))


as for age and gender,i think someone at the start of this thread said not just ANYONE should own one.....oh! no you said that?:confused:

 

Katie, who here said that because of your age or gender you shouldn't own a bulldog? Age and gender have nothing to do with it, to me at least. It's your knowledge, experience, and responsibility that should make or break you.

Bulldogs ARE a handful, that's why I've been holding off on purchasing a "real" one. I spend my time working with the dogs I have now, learning what I can along the way.

Maybe you could do the same? Ivan is a great dog, and has a lot of potential. I know he's a mix, but you could pull him with the IWPA, fine tune his hunting skills, or any other dog sport you feel he would excel at.

 

Okay, for starters, you cannot undue/changte genetics with training. Second, do you own a sure nuff game bred dog? If not, then you are looking through a dark glass and are using the experience you have with your dog, and your opinion. Have you ever thought that the foks saying "your not ready for one" maybe are saying this from making a bad mistake and getting one too early? I used to not be able to learn through other peoples mistakes, but I pray to God that I learn from every mistake you are kind enough to share with me, or anyone else. "A hard head makes for a soft behind".

I dont believe that age(to a certain extent, I would not cut my 6 year old daughter loose with one of my bulldogs) or gender is the issue. The issue would be a person who sees and knows what they are dealing with, the possible obsticles and problems, and the education of how to handle these situations, or better yet, avoid them.

This is the reason I believe folks should quit giving people a "puppy starter pak" with a bulldog, and teach them proper containment, etc. before ever allowing them to have the pup/dog.

If you are thinking that you can, with proper training, raise your dog up to be as obedient in all situations as a , I dont know, a lab or such, ...beware, lest ye fall, and the sweet, well trained "hoola" gets in the right place, at the right time, and WHAM! And once they turn on, it's over with. Kinda like a junkie getting their first fix, once it starts, they seek it out.

Good luck,

J

 

I hope this poster is legal at least? If they are not of age, I skimm past any and all post by them if it is made public knowledge.

 

What you seem to be saying/asking is sort of complex so to respond. My dog is CGC/TDI and is a very GOOD dog as far as it goes. But he is still quite dog aggressive. Its just through repeated training I've gotten him to the point that he tends to ignore other dogs when out on walks. Now, if you didn't know better you'd think he has no dog aggression at all. I've had people tell me they didn't think he could be dog aggressive because he is so well behaved. BUT, I would still never take him to a dog park or let him interact unsupervised with other dogs. In our yard once I was able to call him off a rabbit. Another time a ground hog ran out in front of him and he killed it, I could not call him off in time. The difference? He was smart enough to know he probably could not catch the rabbit. Plus, he had been "gunning" for the groundhog for some time. But when THE OPPERTUNITY AROSE, he was quite animal aggressive. So, just because you can get a dog to behave themselves on a walk does not mean that you should let your guard down, the base animal/dog aggression is still there. Oh, and in obedence class we did some off-leash work, and my dog did great, BUT, it was very stressful for him. Training like that for an hour was about all he could take. It stressed him out so bad I decided to forgo training for a CD, because I didn't want to push him past his limits. It varies from dog to dog, my dogs DA is not high FOR A PITBULL, some dogs are much worse and I'd bet there are some really hot gamedogs that get so stressed out from having to behave around other dogs that it is almost cruel to make them do it more that you absolutly MUST in order to meet exercise needs. But I've heard/read stories about very hot, game line dogs winning advanced obedience titles, so it can be done. Depends on both the dog, and the handler. Not everyones handling skills are the same.



Oh, one more thing, a lot of Pitbulls are hard for people to read regarding dog aggression. Dog is staring, whineing, wagging his tail. He's not snarling or baring teeth so it must be OK. Wrong, Pitbulls often don't give the warning signs other breeds do. They aren't trying to "warn off" the other dog, they want to "play". Its just that for them, fighting IS playing.

 

I see what the issue is. You don't like to be supressed and have an ego issue developing. Don't take it all so personal. I doubt anyone cares what sex you are.
Age well that is a factor. However I have a young man working for me that is about 14 and he can handle the dogs just fine but he has part timed it for 6 years here and it has been a gradual process. I still watch over just in case and yes there are many just in cases. I also have a 17 year old kid that works too. However the 14 year old knows 10 times as much about dogs as the 17 year old. Every person is different and so are breeds of dog. Also with in the breed there are variences of temperment. I have one dog that I am the only one to handle. She isn't HA but she will stop at nothing to get what ever she has the desire to get too. And she can't drag me to it as she can a 100 pound kid. When I say stop all stops. When they say stop half the time the dogs don't respond. It is about authority in tone and the way you carry yourself. I have control of my dogs. I however know the limitations of that control and know that others don't have the same ammount of control of their dogs or mine for that matter. There are pleanty of big grown buck men that can't control the dogs. There are also women that can. Size and sex have factors but not always. You need to find a dog person like me that will spend the time to teach you the aspects of the breed and how to handle them. I am sure their has to be one near you. Getting them to take you on as a hand is another matter. It is a gradual process. Nothing make's me feel so proud as when one of those kids makes a great jr handler in the show ring. They earn a vested part of my kennel and my respect. I have had folks kids, and adults alike that didn't last 10 minutes with me. There are just some personalities I will not tollerate. If your a yeller or whinner you can forget it. And if some one ever raised a hand to one of my dogs they would be better off going out and kicking a bull in the nutts. We have to be very cautious about who we let on and trust. Flapper gums are not good to have around.

 

you should keep in mind that bulldogs are pranksters!! we have neighbors that have wolf hybrids and all kinds of curs that run loose. well the other day we had put some meat out for our ofrn male and one of the curs decided to have some .i saw my dog out the window playing "possum" while the other dog walked right up to his food bowl, that's when my dog pounced. we were already in the yard because we knew exactly what our dog was up to, so luckily he didn't hurt the other dog (it was actually pretty funny, he came back later that day with one of the wolves as backup, but he wanted no part of it). the thing is that if we did not know our dogs "tricks" it could have been really nasty, especially when the neighbors found out it was our "viscious "pit bull that chewed up there cur. if you have a game dog it's really important to learn their tactics, because what might look to the untrained eye like a bulldog being nice and letting some cur eat right out of his bowl will look totally different to you.