Zebo dogs

Stick to the topic Frank....I understood you wanted to "correct" something you felt was mistated but let us NOT turn this thread into something not within the scope of the topic. Feel fee to open a new thread about RB mouth or holding ability.

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Frank, I repeat.....stick to the topic.....zebo dogs.....feel free to open a new thread about Rb mouth. Ben made a reference to them to enhance the meaning of his post.....you on the other hand made it your entire post.

 

no ABK im in agreement with you. but i just don't buy into all the rumors that flot around. not just with zebo bloodline with all of them. do folks breed the unpoven squat stuff from that bloodline yes but them folks are dipshits. that we definitely agree on.

 

only one fella i can think of off top of my head that ALWAYS is peddlin "Zebo/Vindicator" dogs in the gazzette, and i got a buddy that was a yardboy for him years ago. word is, DO NOT buy from him, piss poor ethics and thats all ill say.

 

zebo blood just isnt what you want tight

under par dogs is what you will end up with

this blood always is good for an cross

 

lol. Couldn't have said it better myself ben.

And those are the folks to steer clear of.

 

I would be looking to obtain one in the future to use as an out for my OFRN stock. It will be a ways down the road but seems to me like it will contribute positively if I find the right dog.

 

briar never mind the bloodline spend your time looking at dogs. get to know some folks that keep what your looking for. in theory you could find lots of dogs that "fit the standards"of what your looking for . i want to ask what is it about the zebo bloodline you like so much? do you know anyone that use it ? how many zebo dogs have you seen?

 

alright rock we just talking dogs

 

What were you trying to say mac? All I see are quotations of the ped links. :confused: :confused: :confused:

 

Mouth from hell that needs a game boost if breed real tight on it off course youll get some freeks but % you dont see it good real tigh now blened right you ll have some firer ball for sure .... Like tyhe nt stuff

 

I was just going to say IMO, that is not a zebo dog, and I truthfully don't believe that zebo is bred like his so called siblings are.

 

you're right!

 

mac: Yea, most people consider Lonzo dogs to be more Vindy bred (which would be the 1st ped) & the 2nd ped is Zebo/Vindy w/ outs to Snooty/Sorrells. Neither is "pure" Zebo. The Lonzo dogs however are considered "Zebo" dogs b/c they have more of Zebo's component blood than any other Zebo strain. But don't get me wrong - Lonzo, Lunie, Panther, Toby - I like 'em all.

caos: I don't want to argue the truth of the matter. I just know I have heard that rumor a lot (30 min curs) & I know a dog who is not built to work usually cannot work - even if it wants to. Take lets say, an English Bulldog & let it work a hog for 30 mins. How do you think it would do compared to let say, a performance bred American Bulldog? The comparision would be like apples to oranges, at least IMO. But that's just me.

 

That depends on who you ask, ask someone who runs lonzo stuff and the dog is black they might tell you zebo. Ask someone who runs n.toby or eli shadow and they would tell you what mr. clemmons thinks about about how zebo is bred. Vindicator(sp) is not Zebo and vice versa.

 

Show me a true game bred dog that isn't built to work, I don't care if you post a cur, you can't tell that based upon his muzzle or his stockiness, and that does not dictate his ablility either.

 

Yes, I am aware that some people consider the black dogs "Zebo" bred & the red dogs "Vindy" bred & I know the two are not the same. From what I understand Vindy was said to be better by dog men who knew them at that time! Ironic, isn't it! lol. But I like them both myself.

And if you want to see "game bred" bulldogs who are not bred to work, check out the Gazette. Heck, I knew one fellow here in my state who touted the game bred bloodline he was running (Lonzo - again ironic) then in another breath was proudly proclaiming his dogs height (short), head sizes (big), chest sizes (wide), etc.

As far as stockiness or muzzle length not dictating ability, you can believe that if you want to. But I have seen otherwise. And I'll choose to believe my eyes over your opinion. Thanks for the .02 anyway though.

EDIT - Just wanted to add, no where did I say a poorly built dog couldn't be game. They can be game all day long. They just won't be able to perform as well physically.

 

I agree with ABK in that muzzle length and stockiness does play part in working ability.

The thread has developed nicely. Respectully, great points, and excellent rebutals. Great educational material for both fancier and curious of the breed.

 

How can you have a game bred dog and not be bred to work, IMO thats not a game bred dog anymore. As far as muzzle length and stockiness, that may have an effect on a dogs ability but it won't make the final determination. The dog makes that decsion. Thats almost like saying a dog with a big head can bite harder than a dog with a narrow head. You can't base performance based upon conformation. Conformation gives you and idea of what is suppose to look like based upon someone elses opinion. All in all in my opinion, Lonzo dogs aren't Zebo dogs, and Conformation does not dictate ablility.

 

I agree that Lonzo dogs arent really Zebo dogs, more like vindy/mike dogs. For every one time you see Zebo's name, you'll get Vindicator and Mike twice in the ped. As far as conformation goes, i think the performance aspect of this breed is based on conformation. The saying, " Form follows Function" comes into mind. Look at most of your top performing and top producing dogs, 90% have very good conformation and tend to throw it as well. There are some freaks of nature, that are short and stocky who have so much power that they can make up for what they dont have. But, the more well built your APBT is, the higher the performance expectations should be. The best performing Zebo dogs did have great conformation, Zebo, Diamond Jim, Gator, Oakie, Angus. Although they all didnt go for long distances, they were all built for every aspect of their jobs.