Why the Latest Cesar Millan Incident Isn’t Just About a Pig

Saiyagin · Oct 5, 2016

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You are open to your own interpretations/opinion, and certainly some "theories" are exactly that, theories. However, did you actually read the studies. that will anwser all of your misconcpetions without me having an unintelligent back and forth. And I just want to get this straight...the people that actually created "pack leader mentality" denounced it as being a faulty study, but because you feel it is valid it overrides that fact? Interesting. Never did I say "positive" is the only way to go. But studying how dogs actually interact, where the original "pack leader mentality" came from, surely it does not take a genius to see the fault in studying captive wolves to develop "dog theory" Vs. studying the behavior of "actual" wild/feral" canines. Or do we just want to ignore those facts for debate purposes? There is more than enough information at this point to support this, it just takes you to actually read about advances made, and how the conclusions came to be. And comparing human behavior to canine behavior as an example? Not even sure how to address that, as one has nothing at all to do with the other.

And again, keep in mind, do disproven methods work? Sure, but what are you measuring the success against? A measurable result? Even poor structure, and bad training can show a marked improvement, does this mean it is the most effective way? Or even being implemented properly to make sure no other behavior changes manifest? This is where people should continue learning rather that just holding onto info that has been discounted and renounced many times over, even by those that created it. Not sure why people get so threatened by expanding their knowledge base.

As for our dog training school, I would be happy to post it, though being that the site that promotes anonymity, I will refrain from doing so.

I would also like to address the police dog training. Police/military dogs are trained my many different places contracted to selling these dogs. There is a gentleman by the name of Girard Bradshaw that runs one of the top schools for police dog training, and he travels all over the world doing military and police training. Take a look at his stuff, read his articles, books, etc. Go to local PSA (protection Sports Association), also created by Mr. Bradshaw. My point in mentioning this, is go to these actual events and watch the most successful dogs. A majority of top level dogs start off with a positive base. It is about teaching expectation, then holding them accountable for what they know Vs. punishing behavior you do not want to see. So now, how does the translate into field work and practical application, well again, go watch some actual competitions, learn what people use as styles, and watch how those dogs differ on the field. Dogs trained with a positive foundation before being introduced to aversive training methods are often times much more sound in their decision making abilities out on the field. If you actually think protection work is all aversive/dominance training, we can end the conversation right there because that simply could not be further from the truth!

I am not going to sit here and pretend I know your background, and I would hope you would do the same. I have given more than enough information to support what I have said, and all I have received in return is opinions, meaningless comparisons to human behavior, and reference to a TV show hosted by a person ridiculed by a majority of the dog world.

It makes it difficult when people want to hold onto opinion, and ignore fact based conversation. I hope you take a look at some of the resources I have actually provided. I would imagine that it would be hard for anyone to dispute the validity of studying actual canine behavior Vs. captive wolves, but then again we are having this conversation to begin with so...
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Damn all that you said leads no where as it seems you are being defensive......The original topic is basically about a Cesar Milan incident and every one talking about him like he did something horribly wrong like murder a dog. LOL......you have the right to your methods as Cesar has the right to his methods as this topic is no different then the topic of a parents method to discipline there child as some believe in the rod and some dont.

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