why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

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looks AmBdogish

 

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It's more bulldog than Bull terrier IMO!!

I'd like to add to No Surrenders post about my boy, He is a American Bulldog as are his parents and their's and so on!! It's easy for people who know nothing to talk shit and you fall into that catagory.

 

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? ? collie ? what am I supposed to see here ?

 

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heres a pic i found and its dated 1839

 

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here it is ! im still only learning to post pics:mad:

 

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You dont know me I dont know you but I knew the litter and how it was bred so less of the arsehole. Im stating a fact, so what you got a fancy ped you PM me it dont mean shit,its a piece of paper thats all.
If your happy with your pet it shouldnt matter. Instead of name calling like a school kid ask the question and I would tell you about your dog behind your ABD but obviously you are an expert on your breed. What is it your second dog and now your an expert. You have been in the dogs all of 5 minutes and your giving everyone your wise words on a forum, try listening on here instead of talking and you might learn a bit

 

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well said Sid Finster

 

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a Staffordshire Bull Terrier around 19 inches tall named Sammy against one of the most ferocious lions, who was known to kill dogs in seconds.

if the staffybulls were 19 inches tall back then , and the staffbulls of 2day are still original, why arn't they a lil taller? and the staffs of to day are no were as tall as that?

 

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Cause they no longer were bred for working/performance ?

Once they build the standard in it all went downhill.

 

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Some BullDog history i came across.

DOG FIGHTING: AND THE BULL TERRIER
From 1735 to 1835 the Bulldog was bread on the same lines with no alterations in type. In 1835 the cruel practice of Bull-baiting was prohibited by law and the Bulldog's true occupation disappeared. He would probably have most died out but for the barbarous so called sport of dog fighting. Dog fighting commenced about 1690, in the reign of James II. Burnette in his "History of My Own Times" written about 1700, refers to dog fighting and the gardens at which these scenes were enacted. For fully 100 years the Bulldog was the only dog used in this cruel pastime, but in or about the year 1800 the devotees of the game sought to produce a quicker dog in the pit.

At this time there were many smooth coated Old English Terriers in varied colorings, but all smart, active and alert. Excellent for Killing rats or unearthing the fox. the larger types of these Terriers were crossed with the Bulldog and the product which was a dog that combined all the dash and speed of the terrier with the indomitable courage and fighting instinct of the Bulldog. These dogs were known as Bull Terriers. In the years 1800 and 1835, when the notorious Westminster Pit flourished, the young Corinthians of those days indulged freely in dog fighting. And it is probable that a certain number of pure Bulldogs were fought in the pit till at least 1840.

From a colored engraving of Westminster Pit.

Web masters note: This in the beginning of the PIT BULL as we know him today or American Pit Bull Terrier. I am sorry to say that many of the so called American Bulldogs today have some Terrier blood as well as Mastiff, Bull mastiff, Dogue de Bordeaux, Louisiana Catahoula Cur, Boxier or, the modern English Bulldog. Be very cautious in buying a so-called American Bulldog. Four major guidelines, COMPARE : Breeders, Pictures, Registries and Health.

The New Complete Bulldog, Champion English Bulldogs, Keep'em in the shade girls.
Dog fighting, as well as bull and bear baiting, was made illegal in 1835, but it continued to be carried on secretly in quite an extensive manner until about 1880, more especially in London, Birmingham, Liverpool and several towns in the black country, notably Walsall.
From 1840 till about 1855 no other dog was used in the pit but the comparatively short faced, course and bandy legged Bull Terrier. In about 1855 James Hinks, of Birmingham, produced the first of the modern white Bull Terriers, which he had obtained by crossing the Bulldog and the Terrier with the refined and graceful white English Terrier. After 1880 police supervision became much more strict, though fights were secretly staged in different towns on a number of occasions between 1880 and 1899, that being the last year I ever heard of a dog fight being held.


Source:
Source : http://bullbreed.blogspot.com/2010/06/evolution-of-bulldog.html

 

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Stafford of today.. 19 inches tall..

 

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what can you say !!1

 

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Of course there are staffords around that are 19 and 20 inches tall. But the majority of all staffords are bred for show and that has caused the breed to become smaller and stockier. The first breed standard allowed dogs to be up to 18 inches but that was changed in the 1940´s to 16 inches.

 

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Staffordshire bull terriers are a KC show dog, some of them Irish/old time staffordshires are real well made...the KC in England put a standard on them that at that time every staff breeder followed ...same thing happened with the KC in the USA...they put a standard on their Amstaffs, which all their breeders followed, the APBT breeders standard was gameness and ability,..thats the difference, once the same breed (100 or so years back) now 3 different types, two show dogs, and 1 original the APBT....R

 

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Why are we beating this tread to death?I could care less on how they look.This is a GAME DOG FORUM not a conformation forum,if you show your dogs in the conformation ring fine the dog belongs to you.I'am not a breeder for the public but any good breeder will tell with breeding dogs is that they will change with every mating you make.Why because of the dogs used in there program ie conformation,temperment an GAMENESS.THIS IS WHY THE DOGS DON'T LOOK THE SAME.EVOLUTION

 

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LOL YES! say sumfingg :cool: good lookin staffy by the way

 

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"what can you say" i was refering to post 131 lol. max does have some nice staffords from what i have seen on "sbt pics".maybe he could put a few up on this thread it may be appropriate !

 

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they look diff bcuz of the terrier blood in them

 

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My staffordshire bull 18"