why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

Re: why don't apbt look like the dogs that first came over from england & ireland

hears a nice link about different sorts of animal baiting in the days when kings and queens would come to watch are GREAT dogs battle. at the bottom is different links to diffierent types of baiting.
http://www.answers.com/topic/lion-baiting

 

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If America didn't perfect the APBT, then name a country that has better quality dogs than the US. How come we export dogs to other countries. I know there are quality dogs in Mexico and the Balkans but where do you think these countries got their dogs from? Yes, America started with imported dogs, but over time they perfected them. They didn't originated in America, but sure as hell was perfected here.

 

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Breed evolutioned into perfect working machine. Simple as that. UK deserves its credit for being the origen of those crosses and USA for perfecting those dogs.

Now we could talk how those dogs came to UK and we would enter on origins and theory's world

 

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can you tell me how they perfected the breed? what breeds did they introduce to the breed to make them better fighters?

 

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excuse me but why do keep insisting that staffordshire bull terriers are better match dogs then apbt's. Its been proven that they are not so why continue to instigate the issue.

 

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my dogs are not 14-16inch fat little woddles of poo (bulldog crossed , early bullys). there old time dogs measureing upto old time standards 17-19inch. the way there ment to be before being crossed to any breed that slightly resembles a pitbull.

 

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what are u even talking about, have u ever seen a real american pitbull terrier? I'm sorry but the dogs in ur gallery would be labeled a pitbull in this country in a heart beat. regardless of what standard ur dogs meet, it doesn't mean that they are superior to todays standard of a gamebred pitbulldog.

Here's a pic of one of the modern day greats, i hightly doubt any of ur "old time bulldogs" would even come close to him, GR. CH. Machobuck

 

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NOW THATS A BADASS AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER!
Absolutely beautamous!

 

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that is perfection.....that really is.

 

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boiboi that is a great pic and a great post! obviously we are dealing with someone who has a hang up here. he's just a goof looking for trouble obviously. beautiful pic of a beautiful dog! who would believe it was made right here in the old USA and could mop the floor with "irish imports"

 

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Well, thats exactly the point. What would you say if
one day Russia or Balkan people say: We got Bulldogs from America and have perfected these dogs. What would you say? Right! You would say: These dogs were already perfect ! And you would be right because the same counts for the Bulldogs that came once to Amerika. They were already perfect. Why? Because her genetic task was called fight. The immigrants knew this (better than most today's Americans) and preserved this tradition and with it the Bulldogs up to today. Thank you America. Thank you Russia. Thank you the Balkans. Thank you Japan. Thank you to all who know the genetic task of these dogs and preserve them. The legend lives!

 

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NO sir, the dogs were perfected when they crossed the ocean and arrived in america. This is a proven fact because there are no original bulldogs in europe that could compare to todays modern day apbt. When they were first imported over they were basically the same dogs as in europe, but after years of selective breeding and hard testing they have become the supreme warrior, the AMERICAN pitbull terrier
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I think you confused yourself. Yes they were bred to fight because humans selectively bred them this way. Dogs that were originally imported here were definitely game but you are missing the point. Just because the dog carried the "fighting genes," that doesn't mean they were already perfected. The early dogs were the foundation of what the APBT is now. They were perfected here over time because great dogmen of the past and present, bred and tested them to the quality that they are now. Name 5 dogs that was bred and showed outside of America that made an impact on the gamedog world.

 

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I looked it up. From what I've found they are Scottish. I also found this info.
"No one seems to have full knowledge as to how the Blue Pauls were bred or from where they originally came. There was a story that John Paul Jones, the American sailor, brought them from abroad and landed some when he visited his native town of Kirkcudbright about 1770.The Gypsies around the Kin Tilloch district kept Blue Pauls, which they fought for their own amusement. They were game to the death and could suffer much punishment. They were expert and tricky in their fighting tactics, which made them great favorites with those who indulged in this sport. They maintained that the breed originally came from the Galloway coast, which lends support to the Paul Jones legend. The first dogs to arrive in the United States with the English immigrants in the mid-19th century were the Blue Paul Terrier and the Staffordshire Bull Terrier."

 

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blue paul did you get my PM's ???

 

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The APBT is T H E American national dog. Absolutely no doubt. However, I do not believe this the today's dogs are better than they of 1960, in 1860, in 1760, or 1660. If they are so good even today as at that time then all have done one really good job. I think if we could get an original Bulldog from 1700 in our time then many fast-lane dogman would be very surprised . Also at that time there were great dogmen....

 

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I disagree with u for the most part, because of today's technology we have the chance to perfect the breed as we know it. I believe today's bulldog is by far the most superior warrior of all time. Yes the bulldogs of the past were great dogs but to me its like comparing apples to oranges, they are completely different dogs at this time. Correct me if im wrong but i do believe that the first bull and terrier cross wasn't established until the late 1800's which would lead me to believe that todays american pitbull terrier is in comparison a fairly new breed to this world, however over the past 100 or so years the american gamedog breeders have perfected upon the past and now we have what we all know and love, the apbt

 

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You know many extremely good Bulldogs are bred outside America . In Russia, Romania, Yugoslavia, however, also in Holland. These lands have received good blood from America and select hard. The descendants of these dogs have also defeated quite American dogs. Are the American dogs now worse because, e.g., Yugoslavs have her dogs perfected? No. But they are on a high level because they 1.) have good blood 2.) are properly selected.The same applies to America. Approx. 300 years ago America 1.) has receive good blood 2.)has properly selected. I think dogs from the past could wipe some dogs from today and dogs from today could wipe some dogs from the past. You cant increase the efficiency with the help of selection till infinite ones. Up to a certain level. The art insists in it on holding this level. For example, Galvins Pup was on the uppermost level. If you have today a dog like this real old-timer .....well, you are in the running.

 

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1.) APBT = The one and only Bulldog 2.) Leave me allone with this Bull and Terrier crap.
This is an invention of the exhibit breeders. 3.) I know and love Bulldogs. If you dont know Bulldogs...your Beer.

 

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um...........ok :confused: :confused: :confused: