Who stole gr. Ch. Art?

Blue i knoiw what key wrote , but your not seeing it, what hes saying is that yes mark came ot him wiuth the dog, he didnt know mark was going to steal the dog, but once he had brought it round to him , and considering that limey owed him money,m he thought fuck it i will breed to the dog then give him back or tell limey i have him ,not ideal but not exactly like your saying he said , its clear what hes saying and explains it in his posts.

I said i dont tihnk staling anytihng is riught be it a dog or anything else for that matter, but if a man owed me money then you have to do what you can to get your moneys worth , and as an example if a man had owed me money and i could not get it from him ,then maybe even stealing a dopg would not be so unacceptable, as owing moneyis stealing if you never pay it back isnt it , so as i said key expalins the circumstances , but he did not order mark to steal the dog, he told what happend and after that he said fuck limey , not ideal but neither is never getting money owed to you back .

You yourself said you would send a bomb if key had don that to you, so you think not paying a man his money is less of a crime than using an already stolen dog to breed to ? or is stealing money from a mans pocket ok in your book ?

Ask dr death if you know him , if being owed 2000 pounds by guess who oh yes limey what a surprise do you see a pattern here blue is that acceptable ?, so as i said i dont agree with stealing period ,but sometimes you need to fight fire with fire blue otherwise you may aswell put a sign up outside your house saying easy pickings here come and get it ,so anyone and everyone can just take the piss , which in my book is not acceptable .

 

Cik..we all owed money or where owed to....but this is about a. "stolen dog"..which key say's he knew was stolen and f**k the owner,he,."keystone" basicly said to mark,,"yes i will take this stolen dog".....like ya said ..it is def; not a thing you should do but he admit's to it..so let people make there own mind's up...about "keystone and the stolen dog he had in his possesion".....

 

the owner of the dog was called sjon a friend of mark....limey knew him as wel .
mark owned me money not limey on that moment ....limey jumped in and write on the boards 5 k for info of the stolen dog of sjon........ wel i came with info lol
when mark phoned me and said he key come come how long before you here ect ect
i start to have a idea what was mark working out lol
then thought wel i make breeding and go to limey and give the dog back ....then he has his info right? and give the dog back to sjon ..
but the dog was sick and i had him put to sleep (vet)....then i stil did't had the breeding ..
then i Phone limey and told i have info about the stolen dog .
then i went up to him .......
on that moement had a big yard and people told me why you go for that breeding you don't need it .....because i wanne have and knew already what come when i make the breeding ...

 

So what your saying is that you took a stolen dog, decided you wanted to breed it, the dog got sick and had to be put down, then you decided to tell the owner, so you could collect the 5,000 reward for information pertaining to the whereabouts of the dog. Is that a fair summation of post 183?

 

no read good ..the dog was sick already on the kidneys ....only the owner and limey knew that . so when i had him ..he did not get medicins ..anyway on the kidneys forget the sperm .
plan was made already before i took over the dog ....breed and give it to limey .....
i was not really happy with the whole thing

 

about the 5 k i talk a bit joking ....lol

 

but evrything ended up good ...as you can read ..limey was happy ../..that i wanted to breed breed with his male terror ....

 

plan was made already before i took over the dog (on my way to mark high road )
....breed and give it to limey .....
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when i arrive ..said to mark how you wanne do that with papers and so .
he said we are gonne say ..there out of ch prikki..(black dog also)
but that did not sound good at al to me lol
so it went the way as i explain here
posh lol

 

Holly shit, it´s really enough for me. Still the same stock excuse from these type of people. Not only stole the dog, you hold the responsibility for it´s dead. N´est pas?

 

...you had the dog in you possesion,,,a stolen dog....mmm

 

All BS lies and conns to steer away from the real truth. Here is the entire story. Moderators can put it in a new topic if they want. First of all. Keystone on and off was asking us over a 20 years period to get our blood, this started After he saw his own being pulled up from rank curs to competitive dogs, using a male from Hammonds breeding called Bekkers Devil which was an Alligator Bullyson/Heinzl bred dog ONLINE PEDIGREES :: [152151] :: BEKKER`S DEVIL.

After this litter the man bred back in his Cur bloodline and lost everything overnight. Since then he on and off asked us for a breeding. During these 20 years of rejection he bred with some STB Dylan blood and some other stuff... After years of hearing nothing from him, He out of the blue gave me a phone call and another one and another one asking for a breeding from The Terror dog. I had a serious phone call with T Goldeye my best friend and originator of Limey kennels. He said ``Big-D give that idiot a breeding and be done with it.. don’t take pups or money leave it. It’s a cross from where we KNOW it will not reproduce itself..``

Al this happened some time After The GABBER dog(Brother to the Terror dog) was Stolen. Gabber was placed out in the Yard of Underdog kennels DAFFY not Jason (never heard of anybody like that). Daffy And underdog Kennels mark who were Rookies at the time.They made a show with Keystone HE had somebody else come up with HIS best.

WE told Underdog Kennels that we would not have anything to do with that show as he kyestone was the Village fool overhere (still is).. Daffy made a big mistake and went to a horse vet for a shot of something to loose excessive weight as the gabber dog was overweight. at Pit side gabber came in 1 1/2 lbs under while he was1 lbs over 36 hours before. Needless to say he looked and behaved like a rag doll. and was so dehydrated you could use his back skinn as a sail to sirf the water..

They put him in anyway and he was used as a rag doll for 17 min!! not being able to take a single hold. after 17 min he got one TINY hold on the right front feet’s TOE yes a single TOE and Keystones dog let go, looked up with eyes wide open and run of and jumped out the pit like King Carl Lewis did on the long jump at the Olympics games...

since we did not want anything to do with that show we refused to hand that show reported in the SDJ..... due to this horse medication the gabber dog got and the completely wrong conditioning method he lost 70% of his kidney function... Mark who was a dishonest person started to tread the Daffy guy in a wrong way and stole stuff from him.
Daffy separated from him as a team member from underdog kennels.... as it is keystone tried to get a breeding of the gabber dog but was denied access.. Some time later we got a phone call that the Gabber dog was stolen. I offered a open reward of 5000$$ with a story out that the truth would come out and that people would be acounted for.. It was shortly after that WHEN i got a Phone call from keystone Begging for a breeding from the Terror dog... As i agreed with T Goldeye we would give him a FREE breeding and be done with that fool...

we travelled up north and as any supposedly good host would do. We got food and drinks. made the breeding. He asked us if we were interested in pups and we said NO you can keep them. he then joked and said these pups might meet up with the other Terror dogs and we said no we don’t show your dogs into family (here comes his ridicules Ducking story from)... The reason why we didn’t want these pups was obvious having sons and Bitches directly out of Nelis rom x Tug rom and CH Spike x Tug Rom .

It was only AFTER the breeding was made that he told me that he knew who stole the gabber dog and since we denied him access he got the dog and wanted to breed of off him. FORTUNATLY for us but not for the dog HE ``keystone`` fed him a high protein diet!!. which in his lack of understanding killed the dog from severe kidney failure!!. within 3 weeks.

As it is He was afraid that that other POS Mark from underdog kennels who was a known conn liar and a cheat would sell HIM ``KEYSTONE`` OUT for the 5000 $$ reward!!!!!!!!!!!. As it is HE KEYSTONE got a FREE mating and could keep the intire litter,

for a long time i thought that Keystone just made a dishonest mistake in a momend of weakness!! excepting a stolen dog from a Bloodline he was dined access to. as it is I let it go towards him and had peace with it believing in the fraze >>>what comes around goes around!!<< and those words proved to be prophetic........

As it is when these pups where still youngsters and Keystones former team member American and Vietnam veteran Mike Henry was shot and killed (RIP as he was a good man). This led to a police raid where all the dogs from mike Henry and Keystone where confiscated and destroyed including the Terror Pups!!!(karma is a bitch I send it!!!) .

just before that Happened Mark from underdog kennels stroke a deal with Keystone where he got about 20 Keystone purest of the pure dogs and with the exception of 1 they all quit within15 min. underdog kennels mark new partner who was presend at the time heard and found out about the Stolen gabber dog and asked Mark point blank if he stole the dog and come clean with it. As it is Mark told him that Keystone offered him money to steal the dog and bring him up to him!!!. This was the reason Marks Partner quit him and walked away and started on his own!!!!!!!!!. he kept this for himself for years and years. Only to tell me 2 years ago!!. This man has sins then go on to be a sucsesfull dogman who owned that CH brother of TEXMEX CH Charly . and he is on this forum but never posts but reads!!!!!!! If i would have known THEN how it really went, well fill it in for yourself... JANI FROM KEYSTONE KENNELS IS A FUCKING DOG THIEF!!!!!!!!!...... and i hope he will die a AGENISING DEATH!!!..



Now CIK as for you MORON you have no clue and hide from behind your pc. calling out others while you never EVER have put out ANYTHING about yourself and your way on this forum!!. It’s so easy to finger point and acuse and tell stories from books and try to look all big and bad. Only thing your doing is writing miles of internet posts like a know it all. while NOBODY KNOWS who you are and what you have done for this breed. The Doctor Death story is one that you know NOTHING ABOUT. and there is NO DEPTH WATSOEVER never HAS BEEN.. Watch out for some educational Historicel facts from the past on this forum about thatThe truth on that story... then you can see what a fake and a fool you are useing other peoples gossip and stories at your own choice without a fact chek... PS had my son SPELL CHEK THIS ONE as i belive its imported to reveal what a POS Keystone realy is. And its unreal that guys like him are alouwed to foul up such a good forum and conn lia steal and cheat and come away with it..

 

limey i will say this, i dont agree with stealing period and you already said that mark was a conning lying piece of s h i t , so when he told you key offered him money to steal the gabber dog why do you conviently want to believe him ? Maybe so it can make key look bad ? Of course we can never truly know if makr did it for money or becasue he decided to do it and that way or not, but it wasnt a good situation for sure. But of course thers more than jsut your version to this, as for years you always make an excuse as to why you odnt og into keystone etc etc, which i think is bullshit, if a man comes with a weight especially if i think i can crush him everytime and prouve my dogs against his or mayifelds in keystones case i would ,so your excuse is a little lame.

Ok next thing you have psoted on here the letters don sent fritz and in those im sure there is confermation of don telling you aobut your spike dog, and other golden nuggets of information , and the reason key asked to breed to spkie years ago was that don toild him how the dog was bred if im not mistaken , and don version of spikes breeding is not the same as garys thats for suire, and i hace told you to talk to buddy rowden about that but maybe you know what buddy will say and you dont want to go down that road of truth , it might just kill you .

As for you not owing dr death 2000 pounds ,lol you even admitted it on here in one of the posts some time back, are you seriiouslky going to deny that you didnt have the money to pay your bet and in all the years you still have not paid him the money are you saying that you never owed him money and that you never made an excuse that your mommie needed the money so you couldnt pay him but you would pay him later ? You talk of lying and conning men , you see one every day in the mirrior , so stop crying you bitch, and tell me what great dogs you and your greek friends produced form those f u c k e d up remants of your once decent bloodline ? Nothigin just nice peds (even nicer if you ut the true breeding of spike inside) and thjose poor guys at sirius still havent worked out who you are yet , maybe once they actually send some dogs into fastlane they will see real quick , maybe you need what yuo used to have back instead of beeging anyone for bullyson blood or anytihng that can help you bring back something to your once decent line .

While your at wanting ot tell the turth lol why dont you tell us the true story why you and your 3 amigos are so keen to put fake ped on little thunder mickey mouse ? You and your 3 amigos are the lowest pos known to mankind ,and if anyone wants to be the big man dave its you thats why you needed to use steriods cos your insecure and wanted to feel like a big man , but you are what you are , just a sad little man , i go steroid free still bench 185 kg sqaut 245 kg deadlift 310kg , you nearly as full of yourself as iron mike, and i told you so in my last psot to you, so find your own words to use in your posts not mine so belive this dave im aint backing down from you you dig it son.

 

Besides being a compleat IDIOT you need to read my post again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. As for Iron Mike That guy like some other oldtimers umongst us hase real deep knollige and insight. gatherd from a time you where stil playing with your pipi.

 

I read good, key, good enough to convict you in the court of Torres. You would even ring the owner before getting him put down....low

 

limey if im an odiot your a cretin , and i see you dont want to go there and reply to some points i made hmmmm i wonder why ?
As for iron mike he is justl ike you but wqorse he actually thinks he is all that , and if he could he would have us all believe he invented the apbt and everytihng else about it, and that he was the best dogman in the world who could teach ozzie stevens how to do it better lol just like you think you were and are the best dogman europe has ever known lol , but anyway i wait your answers form my earlier posts , but i know there not coming any time soon cos you cant answer them truthfully so you wont .

 

when i went to limey he was not intersted about the stolen dog at al ....only that he want his name on breeding with me lol........terror & fancy

 

ok
agree
its a not correct story .
but what was also possible ..i just say nothing to anybody
but i went up to david to tel what happen with the brother of terror .
excekly as it is wroten here by me


ect ect


p.s even the nec's start smiling when you said limey

 

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I felt that you let yourself down badly in this situation Keystone...I don't see the justification, joke or funny side in any of it....you be tripping....SAD.

 

Oh and showing a pedigree makes it okay does it???...is that what it's ALL ABOUT ?