Which way first?

Im one who believes a bitch dont have to hunt to be breed worthy, Peds tell a lot, a man with an eye & time can research & make as good a breeding as the gr ch x gr ch breedings... I know others who believe it as well... I know many who dont.. I say, better look into race horses & working ranch stock, beef cattle & heck,, fowl.. Its all about the genes .. Anyway,as for OP,, ideas are ok, but never let randoms decide or influence a breeding .. These are my opinions & mine alone..

 

The diff between livestock and bulldogs is with livestock your breeding mostly for physical traits where as with a bulldog the most important thing is mental or gameness wich is mental. The closest would be race horses and the ones who have the attitude that said horse always wants to be ahead. A horse can be fast and a physical specimen but if said hores dont have the desire yo be out front then he prob wont. And even horse breeders havent locked this mental trait down. Just like bulldoggers havent locked down the gamness trait. But like mental health in humans you see its mostly hereditary. So the mental test for a buuldog is competion and those that show the mental trait are more likely to pass it on. But if you dont test how will you know they have this mental trait.

 

Been lots of dogs with nice peds bred that were curs or never tested and some were prolific producers.This practice hasn't just started ,not saying I agree but it's happened since the beginning.Some well respected dogmen have done this.

 

I wouldn't knowingly breed to a cur, conscience won't allow it

 

Yes siiiiiir!! I would try it if the gyp came down from KILLERS or very high ability game dogs inside my dogs line or family. No outcrosses to untested stock. I would test the hell out them pups tho if law allowed!

 

In house bitches is what Im talking about also.. Nothing out crossed unless from a very trusted yard.

 

that's a great word lol but I was always told you will gain enough enemies over the years so always make sure to be a friend. Dogs are a hobby and it's enough against us. Almost all the time doing a good deed should come before a dollar.

 

Exactly RobertoSilva,some of us know that we don't know everything nor did I ever claim to. As I stated in this post,I only think she will raise only one litter successfully,her PREY-DRIVE is through the roof. Also both of these males are up there in age and won't be putting many more on the ground.
Thanks to all that contributed their opinions & constructive criticism. And THANKS TO MY HATERS I'm sure you got my message from MTNBOY!

 

First off this man don't need another man's approval to justify anything to do. If you've dealt with your own line long enough you would know them before they know themself. I've had females that have acted like this before and resented being in whelping and eats pups unless bottle raised. That has nothing to do with Ch's or Gr.ch's just having a line for longer than 5 yrs. It's my yard & my final say, So "What is to get away with,I'm a grown ass man,you talk like I need someone's permission. I just asked for an opinion. For me means for me. What you do on your yard is on you,but everyone shouldn't be generalized in the same group,that's called PREJUDICE.

 

Just spent the day with an old timer.. Seems he is also one who thinks a bitch dont need to hunt, if you put out more than 1 generation of dogs, especially 30+ years, a fella knows as much as one who demands a bitch be a hunting sumbitch.. Genetics are the key, if ya know what you have consistently put out the rest is cake ... Remember, any breeding is a chance, never guaranteed anything except that they will eat & crap ..

 

You having females that acted like that before has nothing to do with what this gyp will or won't do. Fact remains you don't know if she will or won't be a good mom until you breed her. Having a line for 5 years?? lolol that's a joke, that's not even a lifetime for a dog lol I could see if you had it for 5 generations, then again for many 5 generations could be done in 5 years lol. I also said earlier it's your yard so it don't matter what opinions of others you gon breed that hoe and I said DNA her and the sires and then breed both to her and kill 2 birds with one stone.

 

Not surprising a lot of old timers don't believe in hunting a gyp, a lot breed to curs also and even more will lie lol. I do agree any breeding is a chance, but I like calculated chances more than just saying lets throw this together.. As long as that 30 year man has a good breeding record I would listen to everything he says especially if I'm breeding his dogs.

 

Yes sir, if he speaks, I listen, he has a very good track record, has produced & owned some very fine dogs. Any time I can go scoop poop I do. He has been around some top shelf cats, some say he is top shelf himself.

 

As I was saying,maybe if someone had & maintained their own line for more than 5 years of hard culling & taking a detailed Journal over said period or time, Grch or ch has nothing todo with said individuals knowledge of his/her's program.
So even if you don't know your program,please don't try to Generalize mine with yours. I asked for some constructive criticism in the form of an opinion,which you are entitled to. Not to be belittled by some random individual that wants to pretend like he knows my or my intentions or my hounds. If you don't like what's posted or have any thing constructive than KICK ROCKS!
Thanks Redirt redneck,bamaman,c_note for your constructive opinion.

 

I agree with R&R . Its like playing blackjack is a gamble right? But im sure we can all agree that even an novice card counter has the odds more in his favor than someone who cant count cards at all. So lets say you buiding a family of hounds then knowing wich dogs have the trait is like counting cards. You stacking the deck with dogs you know themselves are game . Now theres no guarantee the dogs will pass on the trait. But you know its there because youve seen it. And so by doing this youll get more consistent gamedogs. The same as a card counter gets more blackjacks then someone who doesnt. Now the breeder who doesnt test will prob get some game hounds but not as consistently. Just as the non card counter will get some blackjacks just not as consistently as the card counter. And the diff between an expert card counter and a non card counter is like the diff between skill and luck. Think about that last line in the context of the post.

 

That's best way to be, you can learn from a homeless man so I'm sure a man who has been around a while got some good info to share. I love the good old guys

 

Oh shit i just saw your last post deadrabbit. I wasnt directing anything negative towards you or anybody else. I aint knocking you. I believe you do what you feel is right is always best. I was just talking in general no offence intended.