When putting 2 dogs together for better

I know some guys have know how and knack for the deed. I know there is alot of factors to look at before. 2 dogs together for better. Some do best to best. Some need a blue print but overall can a tight dog be as good as say a dog from the best of 2 or three different lines when it comes to performance and just in general with health issues.

 

Floyd B inbred to get match dogs.So yes it can be done but it comes down to the quality of the individuals and how well man knows his family of dogs.

 

Yeah if its a good working line why add or subtract. Just repeat. Thanks bama.

 

Totally depends on the dog's them self's..obviously if u keep stacking them up on top of each other from a small gene pool they will deteriorate.......sound's like good dog's Jacob, I wish u well with them good luck!!!....

 

A battle cross is usually an out-cross, there are always exceptions of course but it doesn't matter if its greyhounds,racing pigeons,chickens race horses or whatever,tighter you breed, the less hybrid vigour prey drive etc. look at carvers breeding's, he mixed ed crenshaw, Floyd, Tudor,etc all up together sort of best to best,although a lot of the dogs had common ancestors of course.lot of fast lane dog men will tell you inbreeding is for fools. I'm sure there are plenty of people with a more scientific explanation than me on this forum.unless you are prepared to do a lot of culling id be very careful if i were you.

 

Inbreeding to create a family is how type is set and traits are passed. Good and bad.
Though inbreeding is frowned upon in society as a general, many of families that were, seemed to perpetuate the breed and refine it to what it is.
Individuals.
I assume you are talking about breeding...based on above responses. .but
Was not sure you were not meaning "introducing dogs to each other"
Like to see if they get along.....

 

My uncles are seriously good racing pigeon fanciers,studied genetics etc,travelled abroad buying stock birds for serious bucks etc.and they were heavily into inbreeding,linebreeding etc,i think for every young bird they kept they must have culled about ten.Certainly makes you think twice.Mccoy like you say traits are passed good and bad,but how many of those bad traits are visible on the outside.

 

Biggest difference is the average racing pigeon man keeps about a hundred
some of us barely can keep a whole litter

I breed once every two years , dont have the luxury to go trough heavy inbreeding and heavy outcrosses , loose linebreeding is the way to go for a small yard imo

 

Thanks all some good science facts. And also sounds like some trial and error. Me personally would never put two dogs together. But when getting a pup you would like to get one where the stud and female were bred close in their own separate lines then combine the two for the first time. So you got vigor cause its two different lines and the traits cause both sides were close bred. Does that sound right.

 

The Complete Gamedog uses a very good analogy to explain this, using colored marbles.

Imagine the genes are marbles, the tighter bred the dog is the higher the proportion of certain colored marbles. Different families having different colors, when you combine the two bags of marbles (by breeding two unrelated dogs) the offspring carry a random selection from the two bags.

 

Jacob there should be vigor if two lines are crossed......that's wat your after when you cross 2.....some power!....good luck...

 

Inbreeding, linebreeding and outcrossing are all tools. Tools have to used properly by a skilled builder to get a proper house built. Same as breeding. Just crossing 2 unrelated dogs is not a sure thing. Actually after crossing those 2 dogs you're going to have to cull a ton to get and keep the traits you were oriinally looking for.

 

True.a lot of hard work in any breeding program.and your right about crossing 2 unrelated lines not being a sure thing. but is any breeding sure?you can breed to greats together and get shite.likewise you could breed 2 fairly avrege specimens together and get world beaters.I think it about a "click"..... Best leave it to people who no what their doing.... Its a lot easyer that way lol....fair play to people who try though,as god loves a tryer!!!.....god bless people who breed for the love of the game dog!!!........

 

I think Holocaust said. All really good points to me their all super good then you got elite.

 

Sorry that was. I think Holocaust said it on point. But those are all good points. If I ever put 2 dogs together i would make sure they all went to good people. I saw some idiots even considerd (good dog men) putting puppies on the chain. And you want that dog to become a world class athlete. Some dogs still do. My dogs will never do that route. Maybe I sound soft but on the other hand some really good.dogs have been lost to stupid. I have a old article from ol PETE SPARKS an i think thats the only way they should be raised cause your going to get shite but you know what its probably still pretty good shite. Like Jeep Yada Yada. And to all cull to me means the dog shall not bred. Only dog that takes a ride to the vet is the manbiter. The community does what ever they want anyways. Man can't stop babbling very touchy subject for me. Picking up pup in a month wooooowieeee

 

Man can't stop babbling lol.I'm the same.....good look with the pup Jacob.well done for getting one....

 

Thanks soze. Hey if anyone here does the chain thing with the pups if its done nice and ĺong and not heavy maybe its okay. But i have seen way too heavy and short. So you going to do what you going anyway just didn't mean to offend no one.

 

Man some thing people will think and say . Do you have any proof of what your saying ? Because I'm not believing you . Were you around watching Carver breed ? You can't believe those pedigrees . Inbreeding is a great tool if you know what your doing and what your looking at . A lot of the ch's and gr ch's today are brother sister breedings . Inbreeding will save a family or destroy it . It's all up to you to make the right decisions .

 

NO of course not,we all know you couldn,t trust what carver told you ,regarding the way a dog was bred,but you cant deny the man used the dogs from the other breeders,i mentioned.That suggests to me he did alot of crossing.

 

Or look at it from a different perspective,if you look at one of Floyds pedigree,s all you see is the name Boudreaux,look at one of Carvers and it looks like a who,s who of famous dogmen and their dogs.