When do you consider it your blood?

The Red Boy dogs are the perfect example of 'heirloom' then. There are so many strains that are bred 'pure'. Very few of the pure ones perform at all, and a lot never get the chance because that would be a gamble with puppy production and paper making. And for a lot puppy production and paper making was the intent of purchasing a pure Red Boy dog.

I had one a while back, he was about 7/8th Red Boy on mostly Deacon, some Mims and a touch of Holland. He had a little shot of Snooty blood, maybe an 1/8th or less. This dog had it all. He could flat shut it down, excellent skill and an hard mouth offensively minded head dog. Most said start breeding him but I was going to get 1 or 2 or whatever, and then make my mint on a proven 'pure' Red Boy dog. The dog pretty much changed my mind about breeding when he changed his mind about performing.

I know a ton who would have bred his little nuts off before the first scratch, and to be sure would have whored him out after the first scratch.

Sort of off topic. But I look at lines as the dogs involved more so than the names. I say Red Boy and that is all of them, I see Mims' Red Boy as being completely different than Holland's, or Whitley's, or Marlowe's, or whoever's.

Once a person makes a decision to reproduce they are his dogs, still Red Boy but his line of Red Boy. The new line starts at the first breeding, it is perpetuated by continued breeding, and is sustained based on success. Sustaining is the hard part. That is why I would never be considered a breeder. It is far too easy to buy a puppy vs. raising puppies, for me any how.

Maybe that is why I am much more lenient in my thinking of what starts a line.

S

 

Since I am not a breeder and have way lenient thoughts on the matter, do you get to back track once the three or four generations are established and producing?

Like the Red Boy-Jocko strain. Yellow John was bred to Miss Jocko. The RBJ dogs were born that day. (Actually they were Jocko-Red Boy dogs back then but that is a different story altogrther). Mr. Chavis owned Red Boy blood and Mayfield blood via Jackson. They were combined. Did we wait three genrations before someone was accredited with RBJ?

Jocko is Chavis Ch. Jocko. Jocko is an integral part of the RBJ line. But Mr. Chavis got a puppy from an established dog man, who had a puppy from and established dog man. Very few will give credit to Mr. Jackson for owning the dog that made Jocko, and even fewer will give Mayfield credit for having the dogs behind the dog that made Jocko.

When that first litter hit the ground, the line was created. Who happened to sign their name as owner of said litter is in turn the owner of said line.

My point is that no one waited til those first Red Boy-Jocko dogs were grandparents and great grandparents before the line was recognized. The line is born when the litter arrives. What is done with the line from that point is up to the owner of the line.

Tant did his thing with RBJ. Waccamaw did their thing with RBJ. Lockjaw has done their thing as well. All RBJ. All three different dogs. When each of them made their first breeding their strain of RBJ was born. Same example with the Red Boy strains. Mims, Holland, Whitley, etc. etc.

Great topic.

S

 

Good point. Do you get to go back and make the line retro-active?
Like the first breeding of Yellow John to Miss Jocko? Did that make the Red Boy-Jocko line then and there? Or did we go back retro-actively 3 generations and say, "Yep, this has become a line""? " someone's blood"? We can go forward from here as RBJ.

S

 

Maybe it is a play on words. Maybe I do not put enough thought into the breeding of dogs. And maybe I am confused on what the topic was, lines or names?

I just think any time two dogs are bred two things happen, regardless. If Garner breeds two of his dogs he has perpetuated the Garner name. If those two dogs are bred from the same families he has perpetuated the line. If they are crosses of two line within his program he has created another line.

People (even garner) can perpetuate these creations, and if successful, they can be sustained.

I think maybe the original question should have been, "I made a breeding, my line has been created, what does it take to sustain a line?

Every breeding is either a creation or a perpetuation. Both are easy. Sustaining is the difficult part.

S

 

I agree, really just a play on words. I have a feeling we would almost all agree that a breeding or two does not constitute your own 'line'. Could surely be the beginning of it when looking back after you have sustained that family. I like the way plugugly worded it. I feel the same exact way as he stated.