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When did you APBT "turn on" if at all?

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by Michael., Jun 15, 2017.

  1. Michael.

    Michael. Big Dog

    Just wondering about the differences people see with animal aggression in their dogs and when it occurs. My dog hasn't really been around any other dogs other than the one I had that passed. I do not trust him with other dogs and do not want to risk it. He looks like he wants to play (but with hair raised on the back of his neck) but I cannot risk him hurting another person's dog when I know this is a possibility.

    Do some APBT become more visibly animal aggressive at a certain age? Do some act fine with other dogs until they know it is time to fight? Do some dogs need to be bitten first in order to realize what they are capable of? My dog now, just does many athletic things like swim, flirt and spring pole and Frisbee. His drive is crazy. He will run himself until he almost strokes out lol.

    I just wanted to see and hear about people's different experiences. I have heard people say at around 2 years they go off and others say they are fine with some dogs until it is "go-time". and some never show animal aggression. Just wondering since I assume every dog is different.
     
  2. slim12

    slim12 CH Dog Staff Member

    It really depends on your individual dog.

    His genetic make-up, his breeding, his surroundings, his environment, all that factors.

    Some dogs turn on way early, some 18-36 months, some later and then some never do.

    I have seen dogs that would play with other dogs, play fight, wrestle, bite rough house but never actually fight. Ch Angel put four or five in the ground but on Sundays she would run loose on the river bank with two Blue Heelers. For four or five years I told him she would eventually do one or both of them in, but it hever happened. Ch Charlie would snap on anything on all fours. We were feeding him one day after working him and I was doing some work in the shop. I dropped some screws, got down on the floor to pick them up and he looked up, leaned forward and was a split second from making scratch. No one ver descrined him as being stable.

    I have seen pics of GRCH Virgil riding on the back of a side by side with chained dogs hanging at the end of their chain wanted a shot at the champ.

    Short story long, you are the only one to answer those questions about your dog. Your dog will give you signs, some times blatantly obvious and other times less than subtle. Your job is to pay attention.

    The best approach is to always assume he is a maniacal animal killing serial killer. Take precautions with that in mind and things should be OK. Let your guard down and these dogs can be a handful.

    Best of luck. And apologize for being blunt.

    S
     
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  3. siccen

    siccen Big Dog

    Over the course of twenty years I've had a few Chinaman bred dogs that were fairly similar in behavior towards other animals. Their relationships with other animals have all been unique. Right now I have a dog who will play all day long with another pitbull a friend of mine has. They are best friends. My dog lives with a cat. That's his cat, and he gets along very well with him. Any other cat in the world he will be blood thirsty for. Any male dog that even thinks about being macho towards him, it's on like you wouldn't believe. Any coyote he comes across it's really on! Typically females have always been given the benefit of the doubt. There have been a few females that have been treated like straight up macho male dogs though. All of my dogs have been socialized from a young age and have had the opportunity to be involved in many different situations, and experiences as well.
    Relationships are complex, and nothing is ever black or white.
     
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  4. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    About the realist shit I ever read there slim. Great post!

    Just depends on the individual. I've had them trying to kill each other off at as little as 11 weeks of age and some that didn't turn on fully until 4. Many variables are involved. Have 3 right now that are only 7 month old and will hit an adult with the intent to dismantle.

    Lol, I have pictures of pups around 14 weeks old that look more banged up than many 1 or 2 x winning dogs I've seen. Lol.

    In the coming up on 22 years I have been involved in these mutts I have only successfully had 2 dogs live their lives together constantly however, neither would tolerate any other animal and one of them barely tolerate's her own pups after about 4 or 5 weeks.

    I've always liked the analogy

    A ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Treat the dog as what it is. A decedent of dogs bred for battle with other dogs and you'll be good.

    I think the ones that will be OK with other dogs are few and far between. They are out there but definitely not the norm. I'M talking game bred animals not a line of couch denters. The further you get away from working dogs the better your chances are of them accepting other animals. That don't mean you can't get a good one that don't have a working dog in the first 4 generations. Just mean it as the further away you get from them the better your odds will be at it being ok.

    My opinion on that last paragraph though is this,

    If one wants their dog to get along with other animal's you would be better served staying away from the APBT as a choice.
     
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  5. siccen

    siccen Big Dog

    Excellent advice! Slim as well.
     
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  6. Every single pitbull would attack another animal if you give them chance,don't ever let your pitbull play with another dog if your dog didn't know them,it is in their genes,if you give your pitbull a single chance it would even maul a bull.All attacks happen because of irresponsible owners and unawareness of what is going on around their surroundings while with their dogs.
     
  7. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    Every single one? That is far fetched. What about cold ones? While I agree to an extent your figure is off a bit.
     
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  8. siccen

    siccen Big Dog

    Also, just one thing I wanted to mention. When I said my dogs were socialized I wasn't implying that it would make any difference at all in how they would act towards other dogs. Rather meant that they are used to seeing the world so to speak. I cringe when I hear people say it's all on how they are raised. Always expect a game bred dog to scrap.
     
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  9. These are the best descriptions and true ways to understanding a gamebred dog. Very well written and put across by all.
    Also so the best part for me was it's how their raised is nonsense. What's in the hard wired DNA will come out not matter what raising the dog got. Respect them for what they are and try your best to cover all situations.
     
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  10. pitbulld0gs

    pitbulld0gs Top Dog Staff Member

    When they use "it's how you raise them" as describing dog aggression it's just dumb, but i do believe you can shape and mold a dog.. Good post Slim, me personally i like the ones that know when it's time to work and when it's not.

    Here is that Vid of Virgil...

     
  11. pitbulld0gs

    pitbulld0gs Top Dog Staff Member

    Broly didn't like other dogs as a puppy, he was and still is ok with my little black female dog, my cats ect but anything outside of this house is fair game to him... Him and this new puppy are peas in a pod right now, not sure if that will last or if it will last with my other one but for now, he is ok with it as long as it's not outside of his yard or house. He gets around a bunch of other bulldogs at shows and it's game time, he turns into a completely different dog.
     
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  12. Michael.

    Michael. Big Dog

    Thanks guys, very very helpful information! Love this forum!
     
  13. bamaman

    bamaman GRCH Dog

    I had a litter and before 3 weeks old ,eyes not even open .You could hear them trying to get at one another.I'm sure they were battling.for position on a tit.Wound up pulling 3 out at 6 weeks old.I was using newspaper at the time and before 3 weeks they sounded like a group of piranha s attacking something lol.Just constant movement.
     
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  14. GK1

    GK1 Big Dog

    A complex if not highly controversial topic imo. I defer to those with experience with true game dogs as I do not.

    Some random thoughts...

    A dog may be game-bred, but it is a dog first, and a wolf descendent. Like wolf, dog is a social animal that thrives in a pack with a leader in charge, with clear rules. And the ability to swiftly enforce those rules to keep order in the pack. Not saying all dogs will get along (wolves kill each other too), but leadership, discipline, and a job to do can keep the pack peaceful.

    A old time German Shepherd breeder/trainer I know has a philosophy a dog should have such fear of his human/pack leader’s disapproval that the dog will keep his aggression in check unless commanded otherwise.

    On the other hand, a dog genetically predisposed to fight other dogs and then encouraged by his leader by default will always fight.
     
  15. siccen

    siccen Big Dog

    You bring up some good points. No encouragement necceccary for the default though.
     
  16. Yes,every single just like GK1 said "On the other hand, a dog genetically predisposed to fight other dogs and then encouraged by his leader by default will always fight."
    He agrees with my statement that attacks happen because of irresponsible owners, if someone command and encourage their sweet pitbull to attack another animal then yes it would attack another animal out of family,pitbull's can even attack without encouraging,so this can happen both ways..We can find plenty of videos of this happening.

    In this video it does not looked like the person even knew how to separate his pitbull from poor german shepeherd,so we can assume he did not fight or used his pitbull in hunting.
    Here is another video:

    I think all this comment should clear all doubt.
     
  17. siccen

    siccen Big Dog

    Where is the dogs leash I wonder? He ran up to the pitbull off leash it looks like. Irresponsible owner indeed.
     
  18. siccen

    siccen Big Dog

    Also, not knowing how to seperate a dog fight is being an irresponsible owner as well to be fair.
     
  19. siccen

    siccen Big Dog

    Also, canines are genetically predisposed to fight other canines.
     
  20. AGK

    AGK Super duper pooper scooper Administrator

    There are plenty of dogs out there that have never been involved in a fight, are game bred and also lived their entire lives with other dogs without an incident so yea, I don't agree with your every single one comment. You posted 2 videos. There is an estimated 25 million Pit Bulls in this country alone. Also, a cold dog will not engage another dog. Hence the term cold......
     
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