Wat are the %?

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there have literally been hundreds of half brother sister or other inbred/ intensely linebred dogs that were ch and gr ch. somone already posted tornado, zebo was one i believe midnight coeboy was another, they are far more than brood

 

well i would hope that the knowledge increases

 

Can't be to silly...1300 views and climbing!....just cause it's silly to u doesn't mean it's silly to the next man

 

Khanfueshus says exactly, VERY GOOD POST.

 

I agree to a certain degree!!.

 

1000% agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

We have high hopes for these,
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/public/printPedigree.php?dog_id=378088

 

But what you do with these dogs after they are bred is the hard part. Look at other types of inbredings, chinaman, bolio, jeep, redboy, and so on had more successful breedings to their daughters than they off springs did being bred to half sis / bro or littermate breedings. But at the same time you can make exceptions to this rule with dogs like redbaby which was down from inbred bolio breeding but if you look at the bottom side, her damn was a result from this type of breeding, Ch Catfish was the same way also. This is hard one with no right answer but I don't like inbred dogs like this, just the law of averages is in favor of linebreedings versus inbreedings. That would be cool deal to know but I don't have the time. Tramp, Little Redboy and Tab is other dogs resulted down from a bro / sis breeding. The thing I do notice is the quality of the sire that these half bro / sis dogs are being bred too. This something I never paid attention to till now but I will not eat my words as this being a good idea.

 

So what is it that you dont agree with?

 

breed best to best ,weather its father to daughter,or son to mother or half sis to half bro.

 

Tdk, I will talk to u anytime my man!!...even though u might disagree with me on the discussion it's a respectful dis agree...Ur not coming off as a ass or feelin like it's Ur way or noway!....I brought the discussion up to learn from it not for MF's to get on here and grab there nuts!...it's a discussion board to learn wat u might not kno!...alot ppl think just cause they got 30 dogs they kno it all!...it's alot on here who got a ass of dogs and have never had a grch and they have been in the game for 20+ years!..so if that's the case then u don't kno it all and Ur dogs are still lacking something!...(I'm not talking to everybody on here cause it is some bonafied dogmen on here) I've been coming to dis site for years before the ppl who own it now and I've learned alot from ppl like u TDK!..who can have a discussion wit out they dic in their hand!...lol...I don't kno it all and don't claim to but I'm willing to listen to anyman who talks wit respect on here!!...Ur never to old to learn and some of u cats need to remember that!!



Back to da ? TDK......everything u said in Ur post is true but wat I disagree on is the % part!...I do believe certain breeding throw better dogs nomatter if the sire and Dam are grch!!...best to best does not always work!...TG has threw many grch and Ch without breeding best to best (just an example)....when it comes to breeding I don't think it's just about finding the best male/female to bred to, however u will get good dogs like that but my arguement is how many out the litter??...I think certain breeding will give u more working dogs than other breedings out of a whole litter

 

No problem TDK!....thanks for Ur insight!!

 

you never really know if youre breeding best to best, people say all dogs will quit, its just how long it takes them to do it. that gyp you never really pushed to her limits could be a shiteater cur, or maybe she'd scratch on stubs, nobody really fucking knows because its too much of a risk to find out, cant breed a dead dog. what you CAN do is study trends in the family, and with a basic understanding of genetics, TRY to predict the future.

 

this is a VERY effective breeding tool
father/daughter breeders are better ONLY if you have a world class male
the examples used were jeep and dogs like that, of course you gonna want to recreate dogs as close to jeep as you can. half brother/sis breeding help gain consistency but still give you some leverage. The prob with breeding to tight is that you get all the faults with the good traits as well. There is no right method of breeding, it depends on what you have as to what you should do. The reason people are saying this thread is silly is bc it is! Once more: There is no right method of breeding, the proper method is based off what you have to work with. Most of the time if you do a father/daughter breeding your gonna get fucked up dogs bc most dogs are high enough caliber to withstand inbreeding without passing a ton of faults. This is why i research peds and read up on breeding everyday. I'm nowhere near an expert and dont plan on breeding anything anytime soon but people that dont even have a basic understanding are posting and thats crazy!

 

This is a very good post. If you dont have good dogs it dont matter what you do, ur still gonna get shit results. U can make a bad decision breeding and get something good if your dogs are good enough.

 

DP....I'm not trying to say that there is a method to breeding!!...I kno that...the only thing I'm asking is % wise, are half-brother/sister breeding better than a inbred brother/sister breeding??....now I'm not saying that u can't have good stock from a inbred brother/sister breeding, I'm just looking at this from a % view of things!...u can't tell me that there is no % in this because it's damn near percentage and odds in everything u do!!.....I'm not a breeder to kno this just like u said ur not a breeder and probably the only way to find this out is for BREEDERS to state their input!!....because if Ur a breeder and u have been breeding for a long time u kno the % of which way to go!...if breeding was so simple then everybody should have grch!!!...lol..it's not that simple!!...if I go in peds online and look at every brother/sister and every half-bother/sister breeding there would be a % on which breeding threw better dogs!!...I'm just to lazy to do that right now!!...that's a helluva lot of work right there!...lol...I was just asking the board because I kno it's breeders on here and just wanted to kno did they have better success with a inbred brother/sister breeding or a half-brother/sister breeding...I'm not talking about garbage stock either, both hounds are proven

 

Crush listen to TDK he know's what he's talking about