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was open to the world

Discussion in 'Dog Discussion' started by okeefes pit boss, Mar 7, 2010.

  1. Tudors black jack was said to be a 16x w and open to the world at any weight... Whats your thoughts...does anyone know his weight and how much he went uphill????????
     
  2. popper

    popper CH Dog

    How much did he weigh?
     
  3. CTG

    CTG Big Dog

    he was in the 60's
     
  4. CTG

    CTG Big Dog

    49lbs. i had a mix up.
     
  5. man thats a true bulldog there..49lbs open to any weight with 16 wins...does anyone know what bloodlines or dogs were based off of him???? ive seen blackjack jr..
     
  6. popper

    popper CH Dog

    i wonder what other weightshe went up against and was he matched against other breeds
     
  7. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    The Ruffian AmStaff bloodline is based off Blackjack & is still the purest Blackjack around today.

    Blessings.
     
  8. RedGoodbye

    RedGoodbye CH Dog

    No he wasent matched to other breeds. What is the infatuation on this fourm and by newbs in general about apbt's matching into other breeds. Earl tudor was the definition of dogman. He wasent matching into nothing but bulldogs. Even in tudors time there was no one playing the game with nothing other than bulldogs here in the states. Other Breeds Are Curs. Period.
     
  9. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    I may be wrong, but I think that statement is incorrect. People were matching other purebreds as well as APBT mixes - Boston Terriers were created for & were used at that time for fighting. Armitage bred to a Boston Terrier mix named Deafy who was fought. Walter Komonski (sp) was said to have some English Bull Terrier x APBT mixes & American Bulldog was at one time fought in the South (the original name for the American Bulldog was the American Pit Bulldog - the Pit was removed from the name in 1980).

    Just food for thought.

    Blessings.
     
  10. RedGoodbye

    RedGoodbye CH Dog

    ABK , maybee other dogs were being matched in that time but thay wernt being matched in the world of apbt. That kinda activity was seperate . You are corect about Kominski haveing crossed ebt into his strain but These men the Colbys the Tudors ,lightners etc etc were some of the actual forfathers of todays apbt. Thay were the ones doing the crossing from imported and domestic stock and CREATEING the apbt we know today. In this sence thay were crateing and not crossing per say. There is no exact blueprint to todays apbt because of this . Each had there own mix but what thay had in common was that there dogs were bred for combat and were tested in the pit. Name a dog of another breed that matched into any known oldtimer with any other breed than what would end up being the apbt we know today.Not a Bully breed/apbt cross in the time period in witch the breed was being created but a total seperate breed being matched into any noted dogman?
     
  11. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    The early Boston Terrier when it was still a fighting dog *might* have. Early ABs or AB x APBT xs down south might have as well. And later on WK's EBT xs likely were. But save for maybe WK's dogs, I don't think there is any documented evidence of this.

    Blessings...
     
  12. Lee Robinson

    Lee Robinson Big Dog

  13. ABK

    ABK Rest In Peace

    Oops, I was a tad wrong. There is an account of Mtn Man & his uncle siccing their collie mix that they had fought on a pit bull, but it wasn't a real match & the collie lost. There is also an account of a dogman taking a dog into a wolf-dog, but it wasn't early 1900s or anything.

    Blessings.
     
  14. RedGoodbye

    RedGoodbye CH Dog

    ABK , maybee other dogs were being matched in that time but thay wernt being matched in the world of apbt. That kinda activity was seperate . You are corect about Kominski haveing crossed ebt into his strain but These men the Colbys the Tudors ,lightners etc etc were some of the actual forfathers of todays apbt. Thay were the ones doing the crossing from imported and domestic stock and CREATEING the apbt we know today. In this sence thay were crateing and not crossing per say. There is no exact blueprint to todays apbt because of this . Each had there own mix but what thay had in common was that there dogs were bred for combat and were tested in the pit. Name a dog of another breed that matched into any known oldtimer with any other breed than what would end up being the apbt we know today. Not a Bully breed/apbt cross in the time period in witch the breed was being created but a total seperate breed being matched into any noted dogman?
    ABK,I highlighted some stuff you seemed to pass over/ignore
     
  15. luge

    luge Big Dog

    Wasnt colby's pincher matched into other breeds??? Abk yes that wolf hybrid match is a great read!
     
  16. RedGoodbye

    RedGoodbye CH Dog

    Watch whitefang if ya wanna see a wolf hybred vs apbt match.LMMFAO
    Colbys pincher had 24 wins or something ? and as far as I know there is no record of who he matched into for those 24 wins. I could be wrong on this.
     
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  17. Lee Robinson

    Lee Robinson Big Dog

  18. Lee Robinson

    Lee Robinson Big Dog

    BTW, I personally believe most of the wins by these dogs that had 16xW(BJ), 9xW (BJ Jr), or 24xW (Colby's Pincher) would have never gained so many wins unless much of their competition was into considerably lesser dogs and basically a walk in the part. No matter how tough, flesh can't take that many truely hard battles. No disrespect intended to those dogs. BJ and BJ Jr are two of my personal favorite dogs from history.
     
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  19. popper

    popper CH Dog

    mixed breed matches go on all across the world.... and if you have your dog "open to the world" you will get people thinking ther big bad 130 pound dog will beat the smaller dog.just like with the wolf hybrid vs the apbt match
     
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  20. luge

    luge Big Dog

    Now i didnt say i wanted to see a wolf hybrid vs apbt match did i friend. I said what that document is, a great READ. Nothing more or less.
     

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